His short term time is free in exchange for no savings/retirement plan

Yeah, I was hoping the next 21 trillion would only be spent on more wars.

I think I'll just take a stand and quit paying taxes now that I know I'll be supporting Timmy's coffee habit.

Is it really freedom though? He has to make 5 videos a week and do his Thursday meetup games every week just to make ends meet. He doesn't even make enough from playing poker to pay his rent every month

He lives the same daily grind that all of us live. Its not freedom because he doesn't sit behind a desk or have a "boss"

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Sounded like an interesting structure for the satty. Would have liked a drive through Watts and Compton....probably would have gotten you some extra views.

Would you rather be riding a boosted board down The Strip or getting ripped off making $50k-$200k at your corporate job?

The original title of the thread was:

A guy making video's of his new life in Las Vegas and how he tries to make a living of poker


It was changed to:

Vegas Vlog thread (Trooper et all)

And nothing was ever moved. This new thread was started shortly after the other one was closed.

And when this thread was started, any and all talk of Trooper was banned.

Not a serious question is it? Why would you ever be on the strip on a boosted board with all the clowns who have no idea how to drive there?

200k Corp job AINEC.

That didn't last long and he was called OG for a short time. There certainly have been a few twists and turns.

Why are these mutually exclusive?

If you're a single guy like trooper who has no family to support and never spends money on anything besides rent/food you just need to get "ripped off" for 7-9 years and you can basically set yourself up for the rest of your life.

If trooper was smarter in his 20s/early 30s he could be living the exact same life he's living now only with a lot more security (health insurance) and the actual freedom of being able to travel and take months or even years away from poker/YouTube whenever he wants without having to worry about being homeless.

Two years ago, he had nothing but his vlog and poker. He now operates a business which seems to be successful, even if on a modest scale. Who knows what will be happening in two more years, let alone ten? I don't see any reason to think he won't continue to grow his business and add to it.

Most of us, myself included, live in a workaday world, paying our bills and saving a bit (maybe). For good or ill, Tim is taking a shot at something bigger. Whatever you may think of his chances, it is simply petty to take shots at him for doing it. If he fails, maybe then let loose the "I told you so's". Or, better yet, stay classy and say "good try".

Why isn’t there equal concern about neeme, boski and the rest of the johnnie come lately poker vloggers regarding insurance and retirement prospects? They are only 10 years younger and don’t seem to be making significant money either. Poker is not going to have another boom like before and even if it does, the skill edge won’t be as significant. I like Boski but hope he’s got a backup plan.

Well Neeme for one makes 50k a year on poker then add in his youtube money which is probably more than Brad Owen wh makes a little over a grand a month and there you go.

Plus Neeme has an education and could get a decent paying job rather easily

I would be willing to bet Boski has an IRA whether it's through ACR or on his own.

I see many reasons, the biggest of which is that he puts in no effort into increasing his fan base.

I just watched Jmans latest. I can see how some might not be a fan of his personality (not saying he's not 'cool', just could come off as 'not my cup of tea' to some), but his video editing is fantastic.

No one else is comparable in my book.

1)they're better than trooper
2) they make more money than trooper
3)ten years is a big difference
They haven't failed at poker for years like trooper
4)they didn't tell people that they were idiots giving them good advice and accurate predictions that came to fruition

Like if one of those guys told me they would be crushing big nl In a few years I'd bet against it but wouldn't say it's impossible.

Trooper making anything other than dirt money in pller was never gonna happen.

Those guys also don't break even for a year win a few thousand and think it validates them as a poker player

This one makes me LOL every time I see one of you bottom-feeders mention it when criticizing Trooper

I concur, completely. I think his personality is fine, and his editing skills & creativity are levels above everyone else in this space...Trooper comes in 2nd place in this regard (editing skills, but not so much creativity).

I do wonder though what his overall net is right now compared to when he first came out with the hats/merch/etc. I would be skeptical if it's much higher and that his business is 'growing'. I would probably guess that at worst it's dying and at best it's plateauing.

Sadly, even working a decade at $200K doesn't come close to setting someone up for life. If you maxed out your 401K, you'd have contributed approximately $200,000. In a decent market, with interest, maybe you have $250,000 in retirement funds. Of your remaining salary, you'd be taking home approximately 55% -- Let's say $110,000 a year. If you are living in an area where you are making 200K, your housing will not be cheap. Let's conservatively say $2,500/month. Let's also be somewhat conservative and say you spend an additional $1,500/month on food, entertainment and other expenses. Your monthly nut is $4,000, or $48,000 annually. Add on a couple of decent vacations and, at best, you could be saving $50,000 a year. So, after a decade, you've maybe got $700,000 or so in assets. And, again, I think that is being ambitious. What typically happens when you work a job with high income is that your life pretty much sucks during the work week, and you overcompensate on the weekends and other time off. Fun things cost money. Your $1,500 a month is likely more like $3,000+ in expenses. Factor in other expenses over a decade, like a car. In reality, $700,000 is more likely closer to $400,000 to $500,000... Also, this assumes you rolled into your $200,000/year job with no educational loans. Unlikely. You'd prolly have to factor in a few hundred thousand in debt to the equation. If you aggressively attack the loans, you can pay them off fast at $200,000/year. But, as a result, aside from your $17,500 or so 401K contribution, you are actually going to have very little savings the first few years.

Even assuming $700,000 was a feasible number, it is FAR from being set for life. Most retirement calculators claim an individual with $200K/yearly salary would need $5 to $6M to retire, and that's retiring in your sixties (obviously, those numbers are based on maintaining current lifestyle of a relatively high earner and not factoring in additional income).

Curious what kind of plan you had for Trooper for his 20's and 30's that would have had him currently living the dream...

Also, as for Neeme and Owen . . . I personally think both are incredibly likable guys, and wish them the best. I have no idea what their current total income is or how much they are able to save. But, I'd have the same concerns if I were them about the future - savings, affording healthcare, making income to survive... I'd be curious for Andrew to address his long term plan one of these days.

1)it's the truth
2) you have zero clue what a bottom feeder is
3)i'm glad you get some benefit from being so stupid and that benefit is being easily entertained

When he came to Vegas I believe his net worth was 2K + the clothes on his back/in his trunk. Now his finances are such that he can rent a nice apartment, lease a decent car, purchase furniture and household appliances as needed, have a girlfriend and go on dates, and have sufficient cash to play 2/5 and lose 1k+ in a night without it being ruinous to his roll. He definitely is not properly rolled for 2/5 and likely not even 1/3, but it is ridiculous to suggest that his position has not substantially improved since he moved to Vegas.

lol where do you get those numbers

in NYC with pretty much the highest tax rate in the nation, you net almost 140 from 200K, and can live in suburbs for super cheap. if you live in Long Island there's no city tax so you'll be netting 150

you can easily set aside 100K/year if you're frugal (btw, if you start at 200 in 10 years you'll be easily making 300+)

even with set 100K/year invested in index fund, with compounded interest you're looking at about $1,5M by the end of year 9

After federal and state tax, social security, Medicare, healthcare contribution, etc., you are lucky to take home 50% of your salary at that income level.

But, putting reality aside, if you earn $200,000/year and are somehow capable of stashing $100,000 in an index fund, you should write a book on it . . .