Did you read anything I wrote, or did you just decide to construct your own version of what I said so that you could assert your moral and social superiority over a stance that I never took?

I am in no way upset, I'm very much looking forward to playing in the tournament, I will not be playing her, I would never make an issue about it one way or the other, and I'm not even sure if she is playing from the women's tees or not! I went out of my way to make this all very clear in my posts, which you seem to have not read.

I simply had a question and wanted to see what others thought. I've never played in a tournament other than drunken work outtings and my curiosity on the matter is genuine. There is no hidden agenda here.

Take your soapbox elsewhere.

Has anyone else who uses golfnow to book times arrived at a course that is EMPTY and yet they won't let you go out early? It's happening much more frequently to me.

I understand they make no money on hot deal times but if there are 8 cars in the parking lot who cares if I go 20-30 min early as a single?

The yardage always has little to do with it - it's the putting that is probably the difference in >3.5 shots per round. Granted, this might not be the case in a CP Championship, but if the greens are anywhere close to a PGA Tour setup I'd bet she has no chance.

I was talking with a friend about Annika a week or so ago, and I looked up her Wikipedia regarding the Colonial Tournament she played in. Granted, I don't have any actual data but it made mention that it was the putting that let her down, which is pretty consistent with any account of the major difference between men's and women's golf.

Don't have too much experience with this but I've never had a problem going earlier if its not busy. Especially only 20 minutes.

+1

Is there a golf gambling game where you get extra points based on how low the hole handicap is? Like if I par the #1 rated hole that should account for something

I spoke to a starter at a course a few weeks ago that I booked through golfnow and he told me this is a really big issue for courses. He said people are constantly abusing it by showing up like 2 hours early and just standing at the starter hut asking him relentlessly; "can i go now? how about now? now? now?". I think courses that are experiencing this and doing it to set a principle and not allow them to be overrun with people getting out before twilight or whatever.
I'm not entirely sure what side I'm on, but that is one of them.

It happens on the munis in NJ I play. I don't even ask on them anymore. But 3/4 rounds I played near Frederick md while I've been helping after my fathers quad bypass they've all given the same spiel. Every one was wide open, which I picked on purpose. One guy was too dense to even take a bribe at first when I had very little time on a course I played 50 times as a teenager.

Oh and if someone shows up two hours early trying to get a deal, eff them.

Saying "am I crazy for thinking this is wrong?" is making a statement in the form of a question. You've already told us you think it's wrong and cared enough to post about it. If you want to bring up the topic then you need to be prepared that others will have an opinion as well.

Yes, I have an opinion, and was looking for other opinions. What I wasn't looking for was advice. At no point was I asking whether or not I should complain (of course NOT), or whether I should play at all (of course I SHOULD). Both of these points were made abundantly clear in my posts.

Hypothetical:

Poster A: "Hey guys, I'm playing in my first pool tournament this week, really looking forward to it. It's a casual thing at a place near my house, should be fun. I was reading their rules and it says that after a scratch the cue ball has to be played from behind the head string. I thought it was supposed to be ball in hand. Is this not the case in most tournaments you guys have played?

Poster B: "LOL at this guy getting completely bent out of shape about scratch rules. Hey, if you don't like it, no one said you had to play. Why don't you just chill the **** out, you might actually enjoy yourself."

Poster B is a dick.

Yardage is the biggest factor...500 extra yards is a pretty big hurdle to overcome. Thats almost 30 yards per hole. Add in longer rough for mens events and firmer greens makes it even bigger.

Length and ball striking is far and away the biggest difference between men and women AINEC. Putting generally accounts for only 15% of the skill gap between golfers and when you are talking about men vs women pros i gaurantee its worth much less than 15%.

Looking back at it, you're right. Annika hit 14 greens on day 1 but only 10 on day 2. I don't think it's farfetched to assume the average tour pro would have come in under par given all of her putts on day 1, but the ball striking caught up with her on the second day.

You can think I'm a dick and I can think you only brought it up because you somehow think her playing the red tees is oppressive and unfair to you which is pretty funny.

Hypothetically would you not think its unfair if you were to play a woman who hits the ball 250 and is a scratch or better player and she got to play the red tees in a tournament while you play the tips? Keep in mind I assume his course for women is 6000 yards or less

Yeah. The only difference is that the posts in this thread actually support my conclusion.

So Inbee would or wouldn't contend?

I agree. That 30 yards is a huge diff in my opinion.

I don't think she would contend

Contend meaning win the event? (Probably not)

Contend meaning earn a spot into the PGA(Probably)

We've been through this before, from the same tees as the men she has zero chance. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/93...-event-957662/

People forget some stuff about Annika and Colonial. 1, it was the perfect course for her to try, short and placement means everything. 2, it was an invitational with a weak field and some dead money past champions such as Rod Curl. Perhaps 110 players and still cutting to 70 and ties.

BO

So handed in my first card on Monday. Pretty cool feeling.

I started playing in January and recording my rounds from March. Played 23 tracked Rounds since then and I use the www.swingbyswing.com app which has me at a handicap of 27.8. I thought it was about time to get an affiliate membership at my local muni so I can get a real handicap (And play cheaper rounds at lots of courses).

Pity the first card I hand in wasn't the greatest. Shot 65-55 for a 120. Course is a Par 70 - CR68.3 - Slope 119.

I'd played the same course for the first time on Sunday super hungover and shot 119, so was hoping for a better result the next day. Not to be. On the front 9 I just couldn't get the ball cleanly off the tee to save my life. I was striking it well off the fairways, but it's a long way to the green when you top it 40yrds on 6 out of 9 holes...

I joined up with another single (17 hdp) on the 10th, and from there managed to pull it together. Suddenly with a bit of competition I was hitting the middle of the fairway at distance with my 4I. And I was consistently striking it the same distance as the other guy hitting driver. I GPS'd a couple of them and they were both 197yds slight uphill so that's encouraging. Once I actually learn how to use the woods and driver I should be capable of some good length. Managed a par and a few bogies on the back which I was happy about. Still two 9s really dragged me down.

I spent 2 hours after the round in the practice area, chipping, pitching and playing out of the bunker. Feeling good as a whole how things are progressing. I'm definitely getting better in every area, it just hasn't all come together at once for good scoring round yet!

Ya, I felt the exact same.

I think original debate was whether she could compete w/ the men (aka win a berth to the PGA) which I think is a pretty clear yes.

Well there are a few things I have an issue with here.

1. Were not talking about Inbee park vs Tour players or mini tour players, club pros are another step below IMO.

2. Not sure I agree how Colonial was a perfect event for her. Looks like it played as a par 70 at almost 7100 yards. That's pretty long even today(trying to think of par 70 venues off the top of my head, the McGladrey plays just shorter than that and the Honda at PGA West plays just 50 yards longer)

3. Sure it was an invitational with a small field but to me the field looks pretty strong(hey they invite a lot of really good players to invitationals) and the world rankings of those in the field confirms that.

Median world ranking of the players at the Colonial based on world rankings at the end of 2003- 153

Here are some median world rankings for events on tour this year-
Players- 97
Wells Fargo- 165
FedEx St. Jude- 253
US Open- 94
British Open- 72
PGA Championship- 70
WGC Bridgestone- 39
Wyndham- 250
Barclays- 86

I have the current average from the Zurich Classic to present for median world ranking at 167, so Colonial was likely an above average strength field.

Also the fact that you using a sample size of 2 events to prove girls have no chance of competing is pretty funny but standard. Hey Stephen Gallacher missed the cut at the Wyndham by 7, he has no shot vs the big boys on tour. Except he's really really good(34th in the world) and maybe he just had a bad week.

Anyone else with golf logix gps get an offer for a free hybrid to test and give feedback? Is it some sort of scam?

Tournament update: Played my first match today. Was very nervous early, bad case of the first tee jitters. The guy I was playing was good and steady. I lost the first 2 holes and was 3 down thru 6.

Standing on the 15th tee I was 2 down and had been trailing every hole. I was extremely disappointed.

Wound up winning the last 4 holes to win 2up. Finished 18 in style with a match sealing birdie.

Had a lot of fun, especially at the end. Into the round of 16 now with 10 days to play my next match. Can't wait.

Nothing to lose can be some sweet swing tonic. Grab that feeling and don't let go.