Fatass immigration official in PP airport tried to shortchange me $10. Gave $100 for 2 TR visa, got back $30. Came back to his desk 30 seconds later, my $10 were already there. Sic kunt.

One time at Poipet border I had my evisa printed out and paid for, all sorted. Get approached by the usual scammers trying to get me to buy a visa from them at a higher price, I say lol I know the border is over there, keep walking.

Get to the official border, hand over passport and evisa. Guy starts flicking through my passport, notices that an old visa sticker from years ago had fallen out, leaving a blank page. One of those paper ones Cambodia and Laos give that take up a whole page. Evisas weren't available back then. The guy's like what's this, I said I dunno it fell out ages ago, they easily fall out if the passport gets a bit wet over the years, they're just stuck on with glue. Passport is 9 years old.

Then he slowly counts all the other visas, entry and exit stamps, crossreferencing them to work out it was a Cambodia sticker that used to be there. Acts all shocked and says oh maybe you ripped it out because you don't like Cambodia? I'm like lol wat no.

Says but look at your stamps, last time you came you stayed 1 day then went back to Thailand, you don't like Cambodia. I'm like yeah but look the time before that I stayed 2 weeks. Starts asking me what I did on my trip, I tell him about Angkor Wat. Asks if I love Cambodia. I nod.

He says oh, so if you love Cambodia can you speak Khmer? I just nod and he says 'towdai?' all smartly I reply yeah that means 'how much'. He says why you reply in English though.

Tests me some more so I say a few more words but it's not good enough, says maybe you should go back to Thailand you seem to love it there, look at all your long stays in Thailand then short trips to Cambodia then back to Thailand.

People in the queue behind me are getting pissed at this point, I say lol look so I guess you want money right, he's like 'no, no, I don't want your money' acting all shocked at the suggestion of a bribe. I say so ok are you going to let me in I have the evisa, he says how much you give me. Lol.

I offer 500 baht, he refuses, end up settling on 1500, and he makes a big show of it saying ok you pay 1500 and I'll stamp you into cambodia, but you're not coming in you just turn around and go back to the Thai border (200m behind me). All the other border guys are giving me the stink eye too. I accidentally walk the wrong way (towards Cambodia) and they shout out no the other way, back to thailand! Luckily I was going to do that anyway lol, but would've sucked if I had plans to go in.

In a taxi to Phnom Penh w a couple of the guys.. Got drunk and decided a good idea to spend a couple nights in the cityS. Booked at grand waterfront for a coupl nights. Anyone around hit me. Up


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Played my 1st tournament last night at Red Fox, 23 players US$20 rebuy plus add on NLH
Cashed 3rd place US$240

Try RiverKing today

That moment when the front desk ladie is so sweet it make you feel bad to bring a club slur into your room.

I played in that as well, busted about 14th though.

Don't catch anything......... else.


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Just bad she cannot go to broke guys like u=(

Played at River King NLH Tournament Sunday US$25 buy in with rebuys up to level 5 plus add ons .
A well run tournament with crazy all ins in the first 4 levels, some were rebuying up to 8 times plus add ons, only 18 players
1st prize way 750 US$ , I came in 2nd and cashed for 490 US$ so happy days

Very good room with some big cash games on all around

Free food and drink and no smoking over tables

Think I know who you are now.. played in Sundance too.. lost AK to AT?

Also nice to meet you & dog last night 4chainz, albeit it briefly.

Yes thats me,

I met Poker Triad last night also, top guy with the BEST local knowledge and info

I was at the table also


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Table full of 2plus2 reg

An interesting incident occurred today at Lion City during the $1-$1 game. A player went all in on a King high flop and was called by one other player; the pot was about $500. The turn came a Queen and the river a blank. The player who pushed all in showed pocket aces and the other player threw his cards face down on top of the muck without any verbal declaration. Realizing that he had the winning hand he quickly retrieved his hand, turned them face up to show a King and a Queen for top two pair. The house quickly ruled without wavering that the hand was dead for having touched the muck face down.

There are a few things I wish to say about this hand. First of all, I do realize that the ruling made here is the one that most rooms would make and I suspect that most on this forum would agree with it as well. Although mine is the minority opinion, I personally disagree with this rule and know of at least a couple of rooms that would share in my conclusions. The muck is not a real nor magical place where cards instantly implode upon contact. Although it does refer to a physical set of cards, the idea behind it is really just a designation that we as players have created. Having said that, if the cards lie on top of the "muck" and can still be retrieved, I believe they should be. The underlying factor for this conclusion is that above all else, the pot should go to the actual winning hand whenever possible. To treat the "muck" with such reverence and to interpret this rule in such a literal way flies in the face of reason and common sense.

To illustrate my point let us consider the rare instance of when a player is all in without a hand. Those of us who have spent enough time playing in poker rooms have seen this at least once where a player goes all in, and for whatever reason the dealer mistakenly grabs their cards and kills it by throwing it into the muck. In these instances I have seen floor managers tell the player that while the mistake was indeed the dealer's, their hand is still dead but their chips still committed. And for rooms that treat the "muck" in the manner described above and would kill any hand that touched it, this ruling is perfectly consistent with such reasoning and it's really the only conclusion that they can reach. And this is also why the rule makes absolutely no sense. This very thing happened at Lion City about a week ago where a player went all in, and the dealer having thought the other players folded when they had not, grabbed the all in players cards and threw them on top of the muck. In this instance, the house ruled since the cards were clearly visible on top of the muck that they can be retrieved and that the player's hand was still live. In fact there really wasn't even a ruling as the dealer just grabbed the obvious two cards and no one protested since we all considered this to be common sense. I would argue that the same logic applies to the incident today.

Another point is that in Cambodia as a whole, good dealers are hard to find and/or train. And Lion City is not immune to this as their dealers will make mistakes throughout any given day. But most of these errors involve mundane details that will largely go overlooked, ignored and even joked about. But the one rule that they decided to enforce with absolute will was one in which a $500 pot was involved and ultimately pushed to the player who had the losing hand. Personally, I do not feel that is the right decision. But as stated previously, such is the prevailing opinion and the decision made here would have absolutely been the same in just about every room throughout the States, and most likely elsewhere as well.

One last thing I would like to say about this incident is regarding the player who ultimately won the pot. Without going into too much detail about his behavior and words during this hand, I will just say that the 3 times I saw this situation previously in the States the player who won the pot with the worst hand always offered to chop the pot with the player who mistakenly mucked their hand. I'm just saying.

Although I have a feeling that opinions will pile against me, I would still be curious to hear other opinions on this hand.

Good discussion topic Triad. Have to agree with the floor on this one. The player with top two pair should have just turned his hand face up in front of him and let the cards speak for themselves. So many players these days are worried about people seeing what hand they have that they would rather risk giving up a pot than show their cards at showdown. Just turn your hand face up and it avoids situations like this.

I also think it is the players responsibility to protect their hand at all times. Most dealers accidental muck cards that don't have a chip or protector on them.

I think with the player pool as small as it seems to be over there, the guy who won the pot should have chopped the pot with the other dude, just to keep good will amongst the poker community. Just my two cents. Would also like to hear other people's thoughts on the subject.

Not much has been said about the APT at Queenco, by me nor anyone else, largely because there hasn't been much to report. This past Saturday should really be considered a soft opening as players have been slow to come into town and cash games have gone off inconsistently. I don't think any of this is due to Queenco or their staff doing anything wrong. The dealing staff is top notch and have plenty of experience, the food/drink service is second to none and for anyone who has been to this property I don't have to mention how stunning the view is when you step outside. But having said that, this is after all Sihanoukville, the airport isn't even open yet and it rains every night. I think this sums it up fairly well and having lived here only briefly, frankly I'm shocked that this ever went off in previous years. There is some uncertainty surrounding the opening events, but there is hope that players will come in larger numbers during the weekend.

Surprisingly all three rooms have had games during this time. And while the 7:00 PM tournament hasn't started in the last few days, Lion City has probably had the most consistent game during the day and even nights, as evidenced by yesterday's game that broke around 5:00 AM. A lot has been made of the money situation here in Sihanoukville, so there must be something to running a smaller game in such a town with a rake to match. I don't know why more rooms don't realize this, but the most important thing in a largely closed off poker economy where the influx of new money is not constant, is that winning players not be made to compete with the rake for the money of those that lose consistently.

As mentioned in another post, I had the opportunity to meet and play with PattayaBiker the last couple of days. He's definitely a solid player and I've already lost at least a couple of pots to him. But the lineup this past week has been fairly soft and good games haven't been lacking. Nonetheless, it has also been a grind as a few players have caught their draws against me in all in pots; no big losing days, but a couple of small ones and a few even days to flatten out the win rate a bit.

I'm hoping though that they make a few tweaks to the game to help it along a bit. The $20 min buy can probably stand to be a bit higher and I've even suggested that they run a rock game to keep the games going longer.

I absolutely agree with you; when in doubt, just table your hand! I give credit to the management who was put in a tough spot and also to the player who lost the pot. While he certainly was disappointed and did argue his point, he was nowhere near being angry and even came back later in the evening to play again.

Like you stated triad, most room and home game, if not every of them, that I played in before will rule exactly the same way abut the muck. Yes it is unfortunate that the best hand didn't got to win the pot, but unlike most casino game poker is a game that your cards don't matter as much. I wouldn't blame the card room for applying a common room, but I'd blame the player instead for not being aware of the game.

Player can be very distracted when they play and if they lose money because of that I think it's their own fault. I've even seen a couple time in the past a distracted dealer and a distracted player. The dealer gave short change to the player and the player said nothing. How come I'm not even in the hand and I notice those things, but the player investing money is not? Those are different situation, I usually interfer so the dealer can give the right amount to the player, because less money in the game and more for the room is bad for everyone at the table. My point is, people should pay more attention to what's happening and if they don't it's correct if they get punished.

While I was playing MTG for a living, same kind of thing will happen all the time. I presume most people don't know about MTG so I won't elaborate much on this. But let's take chess dor exemple. It's my turn and I just need to move my queen foward to check mate my opponent. Instead of doing that I move something else or somewhere else, than I realise that this was my game I should have won it with the right play, but I played too fast and reacted the wrong way. It's too late I can't go back and retake my play.

It's very unfortunate for the player holding KQo, but FWIW it's 100% his fault if he lost the pot. Player are becoming carebear with online poker client and software doing all the math and keeping track of stats for them. Live game is different, people complain that it's slow and boring. I'd suggest them to pay more attention of what's going on around them instead of complaining.

My 2 cents.

TLDR: showing your hand at showdown when all in is the only way to protect your hand and your chances of winning the pot.

I was at Monte Carlo LV a couple weeks back and in a 1/2 hand was 66 flopped a set. The turn completed the board's flush draw and the river paired the Jack on the flop to give me a boat.

We got it in on the river and villain tosses over 3rd nut flush. I had like 3-4 drinks and wasn't seeing the board the best from my seat. I started to pick up
my card to muck them but in my inability to see the end of the board I just flip them face up and ask the dealer if I made my hand.

Surely I did and I scooped the pot. Couple of players suggested I was slow rolling and knew I had the boat but I honestly was a little blurry eyed and just trusted that flipping my cards face up when unsure is always the best choice.

If this was any room in PP and the mucking dude was a Khmer I suspect there would be a different outcome.

As went down, winning player absolutely should have chopped. Mucking player owes a beer to the guy for acting as a human.

The magical muck is annoying but I understand it. Just makes it easier to keep rulings consistent. If you start using common sense and retrieving hands from the muck it opens up new possibilities for scumbag angle shooters.
Just like guns and drugs, always the few people that ruin it for the rest of us.

5 south's answer is more than acceptable and if the two players were off table pals it's quite possible this would be the common answer

was at the table in both hands you mentioned,and for me there is a clear difference between the hands,for me it's not so much about the muck but about who made the mistake,nobody should get punished because the dealer made a mistake but on the other side it's clearly the responsibility of the player to read the board correct before making a decision no matter if he has only to show or muck his hand at the end of an all in or if he want to call or fold to a bet/raise..

other example but clearly same mistake,player 1 goes all in on a non paired board with 4th river,player 2 throw his hand in the muck then realize the 4th on the river says call and shows A7 so going with your view of sight the card weren't dead and instead of a fold this is a call because player 2 has the nuts and would never fold if he read the board correct..

what i learned pretty fast when i started with live cashgame is that i have to pay more attention to things which couldn't happen online..like throwing big chips in the middle without saying raise,or overseeing the flush because there is no four colour deck,if you don't pay attention you get punished that's a part of live poker and in some kind a skill which i had to learn,same goes to the player who misread the board and muck the winning hand..

also wouldn't expect a chop from another random player in a 500bb pot or would offer a chop,because it's clearly the mistake of the player,so felt sorry for the player who mucked the winning hand,but was completely on the side of the player with Aces

Hand is clearly dead. I agree that in an ideal world since it's retrievable the kq should win, but casinos need a rule that they always go by. Once the rule changes to "cards are dead once they hit the muck except when..." then there's suddenly an opening for all kinds of angles and cheating to happen.

Strict rules lead to ****ty situations like this but they are there for a reason.

Similar thing happened in the 1-2 at Queenco yesterday, was a smaller pot tho around $30. The board was TT55A (not in that order) at showdown player 1 said "two pair" and flipped over KJ confidently, player 2 instant mucks and then shortly realises he was playing the board. The pot was given to player 1 and player 2 accepted his mistake and didnt even try retrieve his cards.. After the hand player 1 gave him half the pot ^^


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You can't have it both ways. If cards hitting the muck are dead, then they are dead no matter how they got there. How would you rule in a situation where the dealer mistakenly killed an all in player's hand and the cards were not retrievable? Do you ask the player what the cards were and see if you can find them in the muck; do you just chop, but what if there was a significant amount of dead money in the middle from other players from previous action; do you reward it to the other remaining player? There is no solution here that is satisfactory to all parties. I agree with Bluegrassplayer that if you take a strict line then that interpretation has to extend to every situation and thus the room will face really tough spots in situations like this. If you allow for any exception, you reasonably and logically open the door for others.

Things change fast here and you and I can easily be facing a situation where we are playing in a 5 handed game everyday with the same people, struggling to make any money. Let us suppose that into such a situation a whale/fish comes into the game who has never played and brings several of his equally terrible at poker friends to the table. He declares that he is doing business in town and that they will be playing in this game for the next six months. Then the exact same situation happens as he mistakenly mucks his hand, but against you. In light of the room's ruling, you absolutely know that he will leave, take all his friends with him and never come back. Do you seriously not offer him a chop? At this point your 500bb pot is completely meaningless and it is obviously +EV to develop some good will and offer to split the pot.

There are no absolutes in life and poker rules should reflect that. I understand the need for strict interpretations in a context like Vegas or any other major poker town. But in a place like Cambodia, rules need to be more fluid to reflect the actual situation on the ground.