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07-03-2017 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dogarse
There's no rule book in the world except perhaps some **** house rules in tiny bum**** casinos that say "if you accidentally drop your hand when tabling it, it should be dead". Also killing the bongs hand when he forcefully tables it and it landed face down was a terrible ruling. If the cards can be clearly identified they should be retrieved.

And you have everyone at the table a dollar? Hahahaha. That's hilarious, what is wrong with you? i hope everyone at the table just flipped them to the dealers. Unless you're playing in a game with moto drivers I doubt anyone cares, let alone the guy who missed out.
Thank god you are not working in the poker industry. Either as a player or floor person.

I am glad that you are stuck in your cave typing troll posts on 2+2.

Keep em' coming, mate.

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07-03-2017 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Pronto
wouldn't care about the dollar,but still a nice/funny gesture after 15min waiting and would bring me probably back in a better mood^^

agree with what you wrote about the ruling over the bong.
I don't give a f*** about the money. Chump change.

This player is a POS, displaying un-gentlemanly behaviour, killing the spirit/fairness of the game. I'll never let that slide.

I'll go as far as to take it outside for some mano a mano.

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07-03-2017 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
Shocked that Naga made a correct ruling.

Who is this scumbag that called this out? What's your history with him? Can't imagine some random player does this. Did you beat him out of some big pots over the last week or something?
Naga would have made the correct ruling either way. It just depends on which perspective you take. By the book, my hand is dead. But that's a harsh/cold ruling to make. Kills the game. By spirit/fairness, my hand is live. But it can create ambiguity in future scenarios.

I am a controversial player and this player likes to exploit/take advantage of others. Put two and two together. You get the idea.
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07-03-2017 , 01:10 AM
Heading to Shinaukville today. I will be back in PP for end of the month and possibly longer if I can extend my visa. I have a girl coming to visit for 5 days in PP but I might be back earlier depending how things are in shinaukville. I'll get in touch when I'm back PT.

Tik always down to go out and wing let me know when you are here, same deal samcx. Shoot me a pm or something and we will get together.

Tarq - I was in a similar boat. Depending on rental situation in your area might want to consider renting it out. I set myself up with a rental unit before leaving, covering mortgage + 1500$ extra cash flow which is nice living expenses + made about 6% appreciation on 350k. I am selling now though due to expenses in the property I had to cover. I will get another eventually but it's be super nice to have that floating me over here + the peace of mind I have something growing each month.

Tik as for Samui I know what you are saying. Check out Phi Phi and Phuket if you have the chance, also Ao nang or Krabi. Still have the beach vibe but more girls to meet up with. If you are in Ao Nang area railay is a must see too + has lots of travelers coming through and people party pretty hard when the groups come through. Wifing up is a different deal, I usually can't stand living with another person but I suppose there is some benefits. Build them as you travel meeting people all around and stay in touch, you never know who will come out visit. I've met traveling Asians who have come to visit and stay with me for a short while all around SE asia. (Signapore, Bruinei, Bali and Nam.) It's easy to get around here.
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07-03-2017 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by WarMage87
Thank god you are not working in the poker industry. Either as a player or floor person.

I am glad that you are stuck in your cave typing troll posts on 2+2.

Keep em' coming, mate.
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Originally Posted by WarMage87
By the book, my hand is dead.
Oh yeah, and which book would that be?

To cite the rule from RROP
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Cards thrown into the muck may be ruled dead. However, a hand that is clearly identifiable may be retrieved at management’s discretion if doing so is in the best interest of the game. We will make an extra effort to rule a hand retrievable if it was folded as a result of false information given to the player.
Of course... going by "the book" it must be a dead hand right? Ignorant ****ing moron.
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07-03-2017 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by dogarse
Oh yeah, and which book would that be?

To cite the rule from RROP


Of course... going by "the book" it must be a dead hand right? Ignorant ****ing moron.
K.
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07-03-2017 , 02:38 AM
Allin's preflop is not a good thing for a player that has a an edge in the game, they'd much rather see flops (cheaply) and outplay opponents postflop were their hand reading and postflop edge will see a way better return rather playing high variance preflop game! They are right Triad that is bingo indeed!
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07-03-2017 , 03:54 PM
21 straight days of poker. $4.5K+ profits. Time to head back home.

I came out to Cambodia this time around because I needed to cash in Naga chips that I accidentally brought back home. My initial plans of staying for one week eventually extended to three weeks here. The games were far too juicy for me to not stay on.

What's next for me? I am contemplating attending PokerStars Live Manila - Super Series 3 held from 4th July to 9th July.

As passionate as I am about the game, I think playing poker as a profession is simply not sustainable for me long-term. I have been breathing in so much second-hand smoke from RK/Naga the past weeks that it caused me to cough/sneeze incessantly. -EV for my own health.

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07-03-2017 , 04:00 PM
Do you offer poker coaching WarMage? Please DM me.
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07-03-2017 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tikmassy
Allin's preflop is not a good thing for a player that has a an edge in the game, they'd much rather see flops (cheaply) and outplay opponents postflop were their hand reading and postflop edge will see a way better return rather playing high variance preflop game! They are right Triad that is bingo indeed!
So what they are basically asking for is a game in which they can see the flop cheaply, never put too much at risk and all the while winning of course. Why not just ask for world peace and an end to world hunger while they're at it? Back when I lived in Vegas we were printing money in the beginning years. And it wasn't because we were seeing cheap flops, nor because we were realizing our post-flop edge with our hand reading skills. Rather it was because the level of play was so bad and players were doing things like going all-in for 250 big blinds facing a $10 preflop raise. The game has tightened up over the years and the skills you mention have become more important. But if you are somehow arguing that this presents a better game with higher returns, I question how long you have been playing and wonder if you truly know what the game was once like. I have players in our game at this very moment as I write this that blind pot raise nearly every hand. They play nearly every holding and stack off lightly for their entire stack all the time. And here's the kicker, they have a great time doing it because they're just here to gamble and don't take losing as hard as some of us. I guess what I am ultimately trying to say is, if this isn't what you want as a poker player then I don't know what to give you.
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07-03-2017 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by LonelyBox
Do you offer poker coaching WarMage? Please DM me.
Nope.
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07-04-2017 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by poker_triad
So what they are basically asking for is a game in which they can see the flop cheaply, never put too much at risk and all the while winning of course. Why not just ask for world peace and an end to world hunger while they're at it? Back when I lived in Vegas we were printing money in the beginning years. And it wasn't because we were seeing cheap flops, nor because we were realizing our post-flop edge with our hand reading skills. Rather it was because the level of play was so bad and players were doing things like going all-in for 250 big blinds facing a $10 preflop raise. The game has tightened up over the years and the skills you mention have become more important. But if you are somehow arguing that this presents a better game with higher returns, I question how long you have been playing and wonder if you truly know what the game was once like. I have players in our game at this very moment as I write this that blind pot raise nearly every hand. They play nearly every holding and stack off lightly for their entire stack all the time. And here's the kicker, they have a great time doing it because they're just here to gamble and don't take losing as hard as some of us. I guess what I am ultimately trying to say is, if this isn't what you want as a poker player then I don't know what to give you.
The 1-1 PLO game at RK. You either love it or you hate it. There's no in between.

You love it when you sit down with a $100 stack and then carry out two full racks ($1,000) after two hours of play.

You hate it when you have to keep looking to the cashier behind you and tell him "muuy roy!" ($100) for the 10th time.

All in all, the majority of my poker profits/losses came through the PLO games at RK so I really can't complain much. It's just what it is.

Tbh, this game is so juicy (for nits like me) that I am willing to pay for a seat.

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07-04-2017 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by WarMage87
To rule by the book or to rule by fairness/spirit of the game?
This is a wise ruling by one of the floor managers from RK.

1-3 NLHE. One of the players in MP put out a blind bet of $20 before the cards were dealt. One of the players in EP looked at his hole cards and went all in pre-flop.

From a technical perspective, this $20 blind bet is void since the all-in bet from EP changes action. Had the player just called/min-raised, the $20 blind bet would stand. Other players defended the all-in player, stating that he did what he did because of the blind bet of $20. And it should stand. (No, it shouldn't)

The floor manager ruled in favour of the all-in player, stating that the $20 blind bet is binding. The blind bet player folded and the all-in player was awarded the pot.

The floor manager then tossed four $5 red chips (from his own roll) towards the blind bet player. He said that he didn't want to upset the rest of the table over $20.

He made a wrong ruling but then did the right thing to preserve the goodwill of the players.

If you think working as a floor person is easy, sit around on the couch and surf facebook, you are so so wrong. Live poker games would be in total chaos without a good floor person.

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07-04-2017 , 12:58 AM
PT sounds like if you can make sure all your players are on the positive side of variance all the time that everyone will be happy.
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07-04-2017 , 01:18 AM
Warmage, wish I had a chance to play with you more. You said most of your profits were from PLO - what was your roll looking like going into it? How much did you make from NLHE in the 3 weeks? How much between Naga & RK?

Sorry for all the Q's just super curious.

Best of luck in manila.
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07-04-2017 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by poker_triad
So what they are basically asking for is a game in which they can see the flop cheaply, never put too much at risk and all the while winning of course. Why not just ask for world peace and an end to world hunger while they're at it? Back when I lived in Vegas we were printing money in the beginning years. And it wasn't because we were seeing cheap flops, nor because we were realizing our post-flop edge with our hand reading skills. Rather it was because the level of play was so bad and players were doing things like going all-in for 250 big blinds facing a $10 preflop raise. The game has tightened up over the years and the skills you mention have become more important. But if you are somehow arguing that this presents a better game with higher returns, I question how long you have been playing and wonder if you truly know what the game was once like. I have players in our game at this very moment as I write this that blind pot raise nearly every hand. They play nearly every holding and stack off lightly for their entire stack all the time. And here's the kicker, they have a great time doing it because they're just here to gamble and don't take losing as hard as some of us. I guess what I am ultimately trying to say is, if this isn't what you want as a poker player then I don't know what to give you.
I'm not disagreeing with you that those kind of bingo players make for a very very juicy game! I am just explaining that from a player's perspective that has a significant edge in the game of PLO the game is probably much better suited if the flops are cheap and he can outplay his villains postflop.

Allin 4 ways preflop is good only for a bingo player that needs to make up for his disadvantage as a player, one of those ways is to just gamble it up with 20-30% equity preflop and hope for the best.

I don't see how a winning player fits into playing that style though?

Not only that but plo is swingy as hell and those bingo players juicing up the game is great long term but short term you can easily be down 50 buyins to such guys. Short term online might be a month but live that could be 6+ months.

I guess it evens out, if they are making huge mistakes in big pots then it could add a ton to your winrate, but you need to have the BR to manage the huge swings!
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07-04-2017 , 01:32 AM
On another note I was reading about safety over in PP. I wear a watch and have an Iphone, how worried should I be that somebody would want to A. rob me at knife/gun point or B. literally try to snatch out my hands? It's not an expensive watch, prob worth as much as the Iphone.

I read that we should not wear jewelry at all and don't take out your phone in public,is that way over the top or actually true?
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07-04-2017 , 01:38 AM
I look like a hobo most of the time. But, thefts happen allover in big cities in SE Asia. Don't wave your phone around in the middle traffic as a motobike can easily snatch it. Be careful at night, use common sense. No one's going to chop your hand off for your watch, could easily be a knock off too.

Be low key and remember you are visiting developing country. With that being said, there are some fancy looking folk and I doubt they have much trouble.
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07-04-2017 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by whiteguyabroad
Warmage, wish I had a chance to play with you more. You said most of your profits were from PLO - what was your roll looking like going into it? How much did you make from NLHE in the 3 weeks? How much between Naga & RK?

Sorry for all the Q's just super curious.

Best of luck in manila.
You would have if you were here the past 3 weeks. I was grinding every day at RK/Naga.

I brought $3K+ with $100+ worth of Naga chips.

I didn't log in individual sessions. Rather I tabulated my overall wins/losses after each day.

I can give you a very rough estimate. I think $1.5K from NLHE, $3K from PLO? $1K from Naga, $3.5K from RK?

Still considering whether I should head to Manila. I hate it when I am out $$$ even before I play a single hand of poker.
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07-04-2017 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tikmassy
On another note I was reading about safety over in PP. I wear a watch and have an Iphone, how worried should I be that somebody would want to A. rob me at knife/gun point or B. literally try to snatch out my hands? It's not an expensive watch, prob worth as much as the Iphone.

I read that we should not wear jewelry at all and don't take out your phone in public,is that way over the top or actually true?
Let me share a story about safety in PP.

Mike, the room owner, signalled for me to come over for a conversation. He whispered into my ears "You stay in a $3 dorm and you are carrying $5K cash on you all the time, are you NUTS!? At least keep some money here!" Which I did after.

I do carry quite a lot of cash on me. Have not been robbed yet (touchwood). But that's because I learn to stay low profile in the open.

If I do get robbed, it would probably be one of the trolls from 2+2.

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07-04-2017 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by whiteguyabroad
I look like a hobo most of the time. But, thefts happen allover in big cities in SE Asia. Don't wave your phone around in the middle traffic as a motobike can easily snatch it. Be careful at night, use common sense. No one's going to chop your hand off for your watch, could easily be a knock off too.

Be low key and remember you are visiting developing country. With that being said, there are some fancy looking folk and I doubt they have much trouble.
Cool mate, agreed that getting robbed has a lot to do with the opportunity you give to the thief, I doubt they will see me as a target.

I'm low key, only have a watch and my phone and dress simple, not looking for trouble etc.

I was more concerned with their ability/how desperate they'd be willing to pull a gun or knife at any moment for a phone or bit of cash etc.
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07-04-2017 , 02:11 AM
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Cool mate, agreed that getting robbed has a lot to do with the opportunity you give to the thief, I doubt they will see me as a target.

I'm low key, only have a watch and my phone and dress simple, not looking for trouble etc.

I was more concerned with their ability/how desperate they'd be willing to pull a gun or knife at any moment for a phone or bit of cash etc.
I've lived here three years now, hang out fairly late at night and have walked down some deserted streets. I've never been robbed in my time here and almost every story I've heard from a friend about getting robbed involved walking around at night dangling a phone or an iPad.

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07-04-2017 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by WarMage87
Let me share a story about safety in PP.

Mike, the room owner, signalled for me to come over for a conversation. He whispered into my ears "You stay in a $3 dorm and you are carrying $5K cash on you all the time, are you NUTS!? At least keep some money here!" Which I did after.

I do carry quite a lot of cash on me. Have not been robbed yet (touchwood). But that's because I learn to stay low profile in the open.

If I do get robbed, it would probably be one of the trolls from 2+2.
If nobody knows you carry a lot of cash then it does not matter were you sleep right. Also because you are sleeping in a $3 dorm, nobody expects you to have money, so could be a safer option too.
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07-04-2017 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by tikmassy
If nobody knows you carry a lot of cash then it does not matter were you sleep right. Also because you are sleeping in a $3 dorm, nobody expects you to have money, so could be a safer option too.
Yeah, that's the point. If I walk around the streets at night flashing my Benjamins, it's an open invitation for getting robbed.
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07-04-2017 , 04:01 AM
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Yeah, that's the point. If I walk around the streets at night flashing my Benjamins, it's an open invitation for getting robbed.
Which is ironically exactly what you did as soon as a poor motor biker driver tried to scam you out of $1.
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