In b4 the graphic is posted of the worlds worse air polluted cities with BKK being way down in like 68th position or some ****.

Coolio lets have another debate about why each of us chooses to live in the part of Thailand we like, and why you are wrong for liking the place in Thailand you have chosen to live.

Robbie could always move away from the oil burning factories.

That's not quite the stretch of my advice at all. Bangkok is a great city, with many reasons to live here. There are just a few things that are less than optimal. Since the air quality sucks here my advice is to purify your own air as much as possible. It still won't be perfect, but it's a lot better and makes living here even more enjoyable.

Yes if air quality is all you care about then Samui is the obvious bet. Since there is nothing at all in a 300 mile radius. But that's also the reason why nobody wants to live there. Plus try to eat healthy in Samui for a week. It can't be done. Don't try to find a reason to spend early retirement in Samui, cuz there is none.

Add imo to the end of your second paragraph and you are covered.

I forgot to add that BKK has terrible traffic at times cuz people got places to go whereas Samui has none. I mean literally they have no traffic. Cars are a rarity. You can drive freely without ever hitting a traffic jam. Sounds great. Except for the fact that you'll be driving in circles on a ****ty island with nowhere to go to. Kinda depressing really.

yo pokerspiv, come at me bro

Yay i knew this would be good. Spiv's turn bang in a string of reasons why he dont like bangkok and why Robbie and the other folks are wrong for liking it in spite of those reasons and then PE can come in and make alot of assumptions about Samui (cus he never been there) then compare it to Chang mai (where he been once) and conclude BKK is better because he likes it more.

Me and VV will wait til later to chime in on why pattaya is better than everywhere put together.

, i think robert has drunk too much wine today, sure.

but samui not even once?

And me :P

View: Sensations have the hottest girls in Pattaya atm. Really impressed by the amount of very hot sluts in there every night.

Also ran into a thaigirl in ibar two days ago who speaks Norwegian. I think I might be in love :P Having a conversation that goes beyond "hi / how are you / where you from / how long you stay / what's your name /how many times you come Thailand?" is so refreshing. I'm so tired of answering those exact questions I think I might just write the answers down on a business card and hand it out the second some girl starts talking to me :P

ufc 160 in a few days. do a lot of places show it in bkk? hit me up if you know where a good spot is

a couple days ago i was thinking of staying by soi cowboy but now im second guessing because it seems way more red light than i had thought. now i'm leaning towards staying around khao san but theres no bts. ugh

^ there's hi-sukhumvit hostel on soi 38, stay there and you're well positioned by the BTS to get to sukhumvit sois 4, 11 , 22, (first one red light like cowboy, next two a bit less) thonglor/ekkamai (nightclubs like muse/funky villa/wip/safehouse/demo/nang len, bars on thonglor 13), soi 33 massage places, buffets, high end restaurants, cheap streetfood, without feeling too red light. that'd be better than khao san imo. coyote on soi 33 might show the UFC

CBA look ing back through the entire thread whats the common price for long time and short time?

Also this area Bangkok (Udomsuk), im not to clued up on what is what in BKK in terms of location how is this

What do you mean by not being able to eat healthy in samui?
Why is it different then anywhere else in Thailand?

yeah...that is a ridiculous statement
and yes I have been to samui before

Am I the only person that didn't notice any pollution / air quality in bangkok, I thought nothing of it. Mind you I only spent 5 days there maybe to short?

Must be this girl right?

short time is like 300-600 for 2 hours depending were you go.

Udomsuk has nothing going for it other than its has BTS stop nearby and its not that far from "central bangkok". 25mintues via bts.

ever since he went on his new diet, hes put himself above everyone else and will take any opportunity too tell you how horrible your diet is compared to his. Or how what you eat is not as good as what he eats and he would never touch what your eating because its so disgusting.

I probably agree with him a lot. Pesticides in this country are a concern for me. Just genuinely wondering what's up with Samui, if it's crop dusted daily to kill all the mosquitoes that inconvenience people's holidays or something.

my guess would be there is a wider selection of sources to get better quality food from in Bangkok than Samui.

chemicals are a problem for me, and for most people in the world. I and most of the world cant afford to eat organic everyday, so I take other steps to ensure my health stays in good shape. One of them is doing some type of physical activity everyday.

So that is why you choose the big girls?

"Chemicals" are not a problem for you or anyone else. All food is made of "chemicals". Anyone who pays extra for organic food in the belief that it's healthier is just a gigantic hipster ******.

The "chemicals" that hipsters rail against have saved the lives of billions of people, by making it possible to grow nearly 5 times as much food as was possible before.

Organic food provides no benefits to you, apart from the feeling of superiority you get when you buy it.

Most of eating healthy is just eating the right amount for your body type. Then eating a reasonable ratio of all macro nutrients - aka don't just eat pure carbs and fat which would be things like potato chips or ice cream. Eating some vegetables and fruit. Not eating foods with trans fat or bad preservatives like nitrates. Trying to eat omega 3 fats and less trans fat. Beyond that scientists aren't even really sure *at all* what "eating healthy" even means.

spiv **** off you ****.





true. But the point the other poster was making was about the quality of food itself, than what you are saying, but w/e im dirty bulking for life, I'm one of the biggest and baddest expats in bkk.

anybody living in koh phangan? can pm me.

I was semi trolling PokerSpiv. He took a post with well meant advise on how to improve the quality of the air you are breathing into an argument why you shouldn't live in BKK. Which is such a ridiculous thing to say if you're living in Samui. Basically you lose all credibility about places to live when you decided to permanently live in Samui.

The fact of the matter is that Thai produce for the most part is heavily contaminated with pesticides. A lot of pesticides that are used in Thailand are long banned in the EU, Australia and even the US. On top of that pesticides here are used without proper care or knowledge. The Thai farmers do not understand what pesticides truly are. They simply spray it and see wonders when their crops turn out pretty without any holes in them. In fact when some Aussie farmer in Sisaket was spraying small amounts each year the other farmers started calling him Kee Nee Ao(cheapskate). The situation right now is that the Thai government imposed a ban on exporting vegetables to the EU as a preemptive measure from being banned by the EU for a much longer period of time. At least now they control the time of the ban.

Several studies done in supermarkets such as Tops, Big C, Tesco Lotus, Villa etc. showed that most crops contain way more than the maximum allowed amount of pesticide residue and sometimes even 12 mores than the max allowed. A standard already set quite high by the Thai government.

The practices of cattle and poultry raising in Thailand are beyond ridiculous. There is no restriction to growth promoters, antibiotic usage and chemical feeds. This stuff does show up in your meat.

However, in Bangkok there are more and more 'gigantic hipster ******s' to use Spivs words. So the options of getting food without pesticides and beef that is grass fed etc are growing. So you can actually eat properly if you make an effort.

If all you care about is eating noodles from the street then yes BKK is no different from Samui. So again I wasn't being entirely serious as I know most people don't care about what they are eating.


I pay less for my 'organic' food. I also don't care whether something is organic or not. You can have organic produce from China that is irrigated by river water. The same river where the factories up stream dump all their lead and arsenic in. Also Spinach from the US can be sold as organic in Thailand. So it's harvested, packed, labeled, stored, shipped, stored, put in the supermarket here in Thailand. The whole process takes enough time for the produce to be far from what organic is meant to be. The label organic itself is faulty, but the idea behind it is correct. I care about my food being local, in season and not dosed in liters of cancer.

Sure pesticides have allowed to increase food production. But the issues of hunger nowadays are due to unequal distribution of wealth rather than underproduction in the west. As far as I know the west throws away a very large portion of the food. But just because it increases food production output which benefits the general population doesn't mean it's good for you as an individual. And hunger would be an issue of overpopulation rather than anything else. In Holland where agriculture was intense during the 80's you can actually find the rewards in the soil now. It's less fertile, yields are less and the ground water becomes increasingly polluted. Holland has one of the best water filtering systems in the world for general purpose water, but they are finding it harder and harder to filter the water to where its potable.

And you can't argue saying that pesticides have no negative impact on you. I will agree with you that careful pesticide usage can be tolerated, but careless spraying the way it's done in SEA is simply detrimental to your health. Feel free to search for the google term pesticide usage in Thailand. Type in rates of colon cancer and everything after and compare it with your home country. So if you truly thought Thai food was healthy then it's time to reconsider. Also people in SEA actually die directly from acute pesticide poisoning.

Then there's the issue of nutrition value. If you pluck a tomato prematurely and ripen it with gas during it's 36h transport, it is simply not as healthy as plucking a tomato straight from the vine in your backyard. Eating healthy isn't about avoiding things that will kill you, but about eating as much as you can that benefits you. I'll take the nutritional value of a homegrown crop on fertile soil any time over the mass produced vegetable that comes from a nutrient deprived soil.

The funny thing is that a lot of Thai farmers don't use pesticides. It costs money and they are too small to buy them. You just won't find that food in the supermarket, because they are not a reliable supply nor do they produce enough quantities for supermarkets to be useful. But the small Thai farmers are actually cheaper because you buy from them directly and avoid the 200% villa mark up and their produce is considered ugly. It's small, occasionally has a tasty worm in it etc. Enough to make the average consumer winch and pay half.

But I'm not sure why I'm arguing with Spiv. Afaik Spiv believes HIV is a fairy tale that Durex made up. A conclusion he came to cuz his ore mining buddies that drive trucks in Perth have been banging ugly pesticide deformed isaan prostitutes in Samui for years without using a condom and they STILL dont have HIV. Must be fake then.