Yeah, I started out saying I'm not in any place to give LBBS advice to an advanced lifter, I shouldn't have left those cues there.

I know him but haven't watched any of his LBBS videos, now I will - just out of curiosity.

Here are a few optimal LBBSes from experts and some accompanying informational videos:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BRYfEJnBrFo/?taken-by=cbum_



You guys have really learned nothing from the Rippetoe brainwashing era if oyu think Allan Thrall is credible.

Maybe your knees are coming back a touch early, so maybe thinking about how you're pressing through your feet a bit? Maybe too much emphasis on driving your heels, so getting a bit more quad action in there might help you stay a touch more upright. Or getting your knees in to their final position early in the descent, rather in the last few moments.

But I don't hate your squat as it is.

Oh man. I can't wait to get home from work and watch these vids and get in on this squat nittery! /tissues /lotion

Syn continually telling fakeb to drive his chest up when fakeb is expressly trying to do a SS style LBBS is a bit amusing.

Obviously I don't have the knowledge or credibility to weigh in on what's appropriate, but I will say that a few Baraki/Feigenbaum cues seemed to help me fix (mostly) my forward bar path. Also, isn't how bent over and good morning-y you look pretty much a function of your lever lengths? Wouldn't fakeb have to get his hips way forward of where they are to be more upright than he is right now?

As far as I know that's the first time I ever pointed that out in here and I don't see why it would be amusing?

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The cues I gave might exactly not fit into the SS thought process or teaching method, but I don't see what's silly about the general idea I was putting forth.

Syn,

You've said it in more than one log (maybe Snitch's too?) to people that are obviously not trying to olytard + HBBS. It would be like me going into your log and telling you to stop jacking off to shemale feet -- it's not in the gestalt of what you're trying to do, so the advice would necessarily be misplaced.

I don't see why having a well placed chest/back would only be applicable in olympic weightlifters squatting, but okay.

Your definition of "well placed" is the issue.

If you think fakeb looks more like the right image on the way up than a natural continuation of the left in the jaypeg you posted, then I'm not sure there's much more to discuss. His chest angle barely changes.

Well, yeah, I do think it looks almost identical to that right image apart from the fact busto uses a lower bar placement that effectively puts the weight over his midfoot - and I would even go as far to say that the comment in that picture "inefficient use of the hip and leg musculature" is simply what we are dealing with here. (Yes, even though his back angle stays fairly constant apart from the first few inches out of the hole.)

Which rep was that?

https://coffeesgym.wordpress.com/201...t-an-exercise/

-- unless you're just looking for a big number on the bar.


Hatfield vs Platz

And fwiw, Coffee's Gym is an Olympic weightlifting gym so they are skewed towards HBBS due to the nature of the sport.

What irked me about Busto's squat was all the gesticulation between unracking and the first rep. There was like multiple breaths and hinging forward-backward at the hips that was inefficient and wastes energy. But it seems like a good portion of that movement has been cleaned up. :cha_thumb:

I agree that the squat seems good morningish, but I wonder if it doesn't stem from the neck position being so extended prior to the rep. Serious/not trolling: We can't LBBS with a neutral cervical spine and neck?

Powerlifters training the HBBS when far out from the meet seems to be really common on the youtubes.

You're asking for neck problems if you continue to extend your neck forward like that. Its not "if" something will happen or not, its when will it happen.

All of them

Oh, you merged them all into a single shot? Seems excessive, but I guess you've got the time.

You pick then

TY cha. I agree and will fix the neck position.

Syn, I think Monte's response is accurate. A squat turns into a good morning when the hips rise before the torso, thus severely altering the back angle that was established on descent. This is not at all what happens in my squat. My back angle remains the same pretty much through the entire ROM.

However, I can kinda see what you're saying. Here are videos of other squats. Much lighter at 275 but demonstrative since they were high rep sets. The back angle is slightly higher.

Jan 25


Feb 15


The thing about both of those is that I am not as happy with the bar path. The bar does not remain over my midfoot and must travel a bit forward to end up there on descent, where how I have now altered my squat makes it so that the bar essentially remains in the same place over my midfoot throughout the entire ROM.

EVERY REP LOOKS THE SAME! Success

You want to see a true mess of a squat, I'll dig up the first time I hit 365x1. It was a mess. I took some advice on how to fix my squat from turning into a good morning and ended up going a very long time unwittingly inhibiting the stretch reflex and hip drive.

That picture I posted out of the SS book and the snapshot of your squat show the exact same imperfections, regardless of whether your back angle is consistent or not:
-back angle is more horizontal than should be
-hip angle is more closed
-knee angle more open

...caused by inefficient hamstring use and quads not being able to contract properly. Also in line with Aidan's post.

Anyway, I think I've made my point by now. If you don't see what I see or simply disagree, then I guess our discussion here is done.

By the way, I never said your squat is a mess. I think your squat is very solid. But all I'm saying is it can still be improved, and probably/hopefully will continue to do so over your lifetime.

I'm out!

But you did not say anything about my feet!!!!! Are they sexay or...?

Bit confused given nuclear was saying my squat transfers TOO MUCH effort to hamstrings yet you are saying my hamstrings are INEFFICIENT. Do you disagree? If both were true...wouldn't my squat be LESS strong this way?

LOL @ this guy