Cesc needs a regular game for club or country before anyone can call him World class.

Yea, top few players of their generation for me, thats just my opinion.

why?
just because other worldclass players who may arguably be a tiny bit better are ahead of him in the pecking order he cant be considered worldclass?

that doesnt make any sense
Cesc is a top 3-6 player in the world

Lets create a list of players on FIFA12 who drive you mad.

Neur
Cech
Drogba
Badstuber
Ronaldo
Casillas
Ibra
Abbiati
Tiawo
Abate

Cheers will try that!!

Agbonlahor
Taarabt
Michel Bastos
Sturridge


Any team with any of these players seems to score every single game against me, they're all up in my head now its almost guaranteed

cesc is world class best midfielder in prem for me last year,also david silva opinions?
on UT subject i run so bad with packs its a joke!

just off the top of my head

wagner love
etoo
remy
lavezzi
cavani
tiawo
david luiz
naldo
demba ba
neur
lloris
krasic
hamsik
mario gomez
wellington silva
bassong
pepe
michel bastos
bafetimbi gomis

1. Messi
2. Ronaldo

(no-one arguing so far?)

3. Xavi
4. Iniesta
5. Vidic
6. Rooney


Still a lot more players I would personally put above Fabregas. Then again I probably rate Milner, Barry, Young, Downing etc higher than you would.

Stop buying packs, they are -EV.

Silva also above Fabregas for me. Silva fast becoming a top top player now, not just potential. Still dont agree with half the Sky Sports pundits opinion that he is the best player in the premier league though, those are big words, you have to do it for a couple of years to be talked about like that, hes had a good calendar year though. Pre Lampard and Gerrards injuries he definately wasnt.

Is anyone else finding that the stress and tilt and severe competitiveness online is doing wonders for their game vs friends IRL?

I've won every game for the last three weeks which is a **** load, the last three post on my facebook are FIFA apologies, and last night during our usual winner stays on, loser rolls a joint system I won every game meaning I didn't have to roll a single joint, life was good. One of the guys was the guy everyone in your group thinks is the best at FIFA, but win 6 wins on the trot over him I think people are getting the message.

To sum up, im smashing up controllers after being beaten by cnuts online, but its improving me to the point I can decimate the people who really matter.

The same way I find home games easier to crush than online!

modric is up there imo,A fit gerrard of 2 years ago is up there with iniesta an xavi what he done in champions league was amazing id put that up 2 1 of the best solo performances in football!

I put together something basically C-squadish and pretty cheap (25k total)

GK Gomes

RB Rafeal
CB Alex
CB Naldo (Like him a lot! Helps a lot in the air vs the crossing spammers)
LB Maxwell

CDM Roberto Carlos
CDM Gustavo
LAM Hernanes
RAM Ganso

LS Wagner Love
RS Nilmar

Also have CB Luiz, CAM Lucas, CAM Alex, CAM Mossoro, CAM Elias RB Rafinha, ST Fred, GK Helton

They're all 4222 brazilian so I have 100 chem but only 80 team rating.

21k coins left and willing to sell any of these guys - what should I do immediately to improve my team rating? I love Pato, hate Robinho, obviously love Kaka and wouldn't mind Ronaldinho is he is cheap enough. Love Hulk.

Erm no way is Fabregas top 6 in the world lol.

Lol at vidic being world class and cesc isn't. Xabi def world class imo. Lol at this thread. Ramos is close but cesc isn't? lol omg.

Yup don't agree Vidic is either. Has not been for a while.

Hard to be world class on the injury table, LOL

When hes played hes been exceptional. When defenders are nominated for POY awards you know they are good.

When I hear all the names labelled world class these days I find it hard to believe that the same people would argue about this generations best defender being labelled world class.

I remember the previous generation when only Rivaldo, Zidane and Figo were world class, the rest were just "good players".

@ JsTs - Wellitton is a good option up front. Pace to burn and is a decent player. I have him as a CAM(I converted him) in a 4222. I think he would be better up front in fairness.

If I were to build a brazillian team then I like the Idea of Hulk and Kaka as my 2 CAMs. You have to play Luiz btw. Despite only being 82, I feel like he out-performs almost all my better defenders.

True I mean he is a world class defender when fit but his lack of availability would mean I mark him down a notch.

I don't really think that it was ever the case with those three you mentioned. Remember at the time of these players you had Ronaldo, Carlos, Totti, Del Piero, Maldini all world class and that's just off the top of my head.

Messi and Ronaldo are simply the best two players on the planet this now. They are in a category of their own. What category is higher than world class though? I guess you can have tiers of world class players. Say 3 tiers for example.

Selling my Russian league FUT side if anyone is interested.

All players are 4-2-2-2 and correct for their position etc. Including the manager(Brazilian dude, forget his name)


Akinfeev

Anyukov
Bruno Alves
Bocchetti
Ansaldi

Danny(CDM)
Roberto Carlos

Martins(CAM)
Welliton(CAM)

Eto'o
Doumbia

Cost around 110k I think once I paid for all the position and formation cards etc. I know Im not going to get that much back but its probably going to work out cheaper for someone to buy the whole team rather than bits and pieces and end up buying formation/position cards etc.

I'll take 90k(Eto'o was 50k + 3k formation card).

This is what Im getting at. I was always bought up think world class was preserved only for the greats, players that will go down in history. The rest are just called good players.

Seems like the gloss has really been taken away from the phrase "world class" in recent years.

We need a new "Uber class"

When it rains, why does it feel like game is laggy. I got no first touch, no passing, no shooting, its horrendous.

Okay

Uber Class - Messi, Ronaldo, Seb

I didnt win team of the tournament in this final.

And I got brag mail off villain. When he equalised in 118 mins or so he ran all round the pitch with that ugly little **** Tevez with hand to ear.

The crossbar and goalkeeper got joint MoM for him.

So F tilting.

Lol@comparing Cesc to Ramos and Gerrard to Xavi. Jesus. Worse theN listening to English radio after the game Vs Germany.

I have officially developed full blown aids in regards to this game.

I was in div 5 with 2 consecutive seasons of missing out on promotion in the last match of the season and then out of no where I have not won in about 25 games and I've now had 5 straight losses in div 9.

I honestly have no idea what's happening. I literally cannot win.

Does anyone know what the patch fixed?

I might start giving some more time to UT if they've fixed the drop outs problem.