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10-29-2017 , 09:06 AM

#20901

domer2

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eg with arteezy is still a mediocre team, news at 11

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10-29-2017 , 12:38 PM

#20902

oldgrandma18k

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thinking Secret won this game 2 draft, even tho BB is a quite low winrate hero nowadays. just not sure about the core gyro/DK picks

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10-29-2017 , 01:15 PM

#20903

Regret$

burnt out

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 12,124

Total PA assdestruction. I played a lot of Gyro about a month about and that hero is in a terrible state. He is ok against PA if you can win the early game but if you dont once about 25 minutes hits she can murder him at her leisure. He heavily relies on BKB against most lineups in the midgame, and it is a totally dead item against her. The only way he can win a fight is to run in on her with a support and quickly burst her down. Don't think this is a good plan against an organized plan. Probably the first game I have ever wanted Secret to win. Cheer for PA >>>> cheer against Secret. Although I do like these guys more these days with Ace and Midone. Can Puppey kick himself?

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10-29-2017 , 01:19 PM

#20904

oldgrandma18k

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PA mag combo just cannot be allowed to have space... I think Liquid thought they'd have the early game and could limit the map but the first blood on Chen changed that. Trying to beat Puppey with Chen is a pretty ballsy move.

Thinking the last pick there for Liquid would have been to run a core Axe on Miracle, I'm betting he's versatile enough to be able to do that. Vs 4 melees, hard counters PA with blademail and also counters BB by forcing him to be facing forward

Wow apparently Lion aghs with level 20 talent (300 ult dmg) gives 1325 magic dmg 325 aoe nuke on 20s cd loool (Merlini info)

i actually thought FATA was the weakest part of Team Secret but he's really really improved on the offlane position

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10-29-2017 , 05:23 PM

#20905

oldgrandma18k

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,918

Spoiler:

PATCH NOTES SOON?????? Pls Mr. Frog would be so Kreygasm

Last edited by oldgrandma18k; 10-29-2017 at 05:33 PM.

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10-29-2017 , 08:27 PM

#20906

Kirbynator

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well deserved win for vp

3.1 should be a burner

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10-29-2017 , 09:52 PM

#20907

Regret$

burnt out

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 12,124

https://www.dota2.com/news/updates/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MaujwEBA4s

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10-30-2017 , 11:10 AM

#20908

jhksauser

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Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 439

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Originally Posted by oldgrandma18k

Just not sure if Sumail and RTZ will ever be able to gel perfectly... then again it's still early in the tournament we'll see what happens. The team also doesn't seem to have any go to strategies besides picking pretty good meta heroes but the team comp synergy is lacking in comparison to a team like Immortals

Any of you guys do betting on these matches? If so, what sites are good/bad?

Ya I also thought it was the Sumail + RTZ combo was an issue, so i was surprised when PPD said it was him that Sumail wanted out.

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10-30-2017 , 01:48 PM

#20909

oldgrandma18k

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http://www.dota2.com/duelingfates

brb READING TIME BOYSH

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Strength, Agility, and Intelligence attributes now give a unique perk to the hero if they are the respective hero type (in addition to the +1 damage).

PERKS
Strength gains +0.15% Status Resistance (Reduces the duration of effects like silence/stun/disarm/root/fear/etc. For DPS debuffs with slows, it instead just reduces the slow values to keep the damage amount unaffected)
Agility gains +0.06% Movement Speed
Intelligence gains +0.15% Magic Resistance
In the stat hover area, you can see the effect impact each of these perks has on a hero.

WAOW. Uhhh Intelligence heroes just got boned, worst deal of all time

it appears they made items out of all of invoker's spells lolol....

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METEOR HAMMER:NEW ITEM
Requires:
Ogre Axe (1000)
Staff of Wizardry (1000)
Ring of Regen (300)
Sage's Mask (325)
Total: 2625

Provides:
+12 Strength
+12 Intelligence
+4 HP Regen
+1.5 Mana Regen

Active:
Channeling, 3 seconds. Summons a Meteor that strikes a 300 AoE and stuns for 1.75 seconds. Applies a 6 second debuff that deals 60 damage per second to structures (115 to non-structures). Cast Range: 600 , CD: 40, Mana cost: 125. You have vision over the impact area for the channel duration. Meteor impact destroys trees. Meteor takes 0.5 seconds to land.

WTF AOE STUN FOR 1.75 SECONDS ONLY 2625 GOLD OSfrog

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POOR MAN'S SHIELD:ITEM REMOVED
Poor Man's Shield has been removed from the game.

RIP Pro man's shield

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IRON TALON:ITEM REMOVED
Iron Talon has been removed from the game.

NOoooooooooooooooooooooo

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COURIER
Courier cost increased from 100 to 200
Ground Courier movement speed increased from 350 to 380
Flying Courier speed increased from 430 to 450
Flying Courier upgrade can no longer be purchased. Courier now upgrades automatically at 3 minutes.
Flying Courier now has Courier Shield instead of the Haste ability (200 CD, Duration: 2).
Courier can no longer refill Bottle.
Courier can no longer be purchased more than once.

This is nice, very nice. Especially like the no more bottle crowing HAhahah get fukt greedy mid players

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Removed special neutral pull aggro exceptions for heroes (on Chaos Knight, Earth Spirit, Morphling, Pudge, Clockwerk, Rubick, and Tiny)

WAOW Offlane Tiny is back again

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Third Roshan kill now drops a single-use consumable refresher orb. Cooldown is independent from Refresher Orb

lolol wat da hell

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10-30-2017 , 02:20 PM

#20910

oldgrandma18k

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,918

(double posting because patch)

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Each day 10 heroes are selected automatically as bonus heroes for the day. Bonus heroes provide you with a free mango on selection (cannot be sold).

WTF IS THAT I EXPECT THAT TO BE REMOVED PRETTY QUICKLY LOLOLOL

-apem IS BACK. Pretty good move to try and get new players into the game imo

Seasonal MMR PogChamp

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INVOKER:
Level 10: +30 Chaos Meteor Damage OR +0.3s Tornado Duration
Level 15: +1.5s Cold Snap Duration OR +1 Forged Spirit Summoned
Level 20: +35 Alacrity Damage/Speed OR Cataclysm (Launched when Sun Strike is doubled tapped. Puts it on a 90 second cooldown. Creates 2 visible Sun Strikes within 175-250 range of each enemy hero)

WTF IS THAT **** VALVE LOL

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PUDGE:
Meat Hook can pull Runes back to you. Mana cost is refunded if successful.

Oy vey. Pudge in 100% of all games incoming

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RIKI:
Base movement speed reduced by 5
Enemy units in Smoke Screen have no vision.
Backstab damage can now be used in procs like Critical Strike, Cleave, etc.
Backstab damage reduced from 0.5/0.75/1.0/1.25 to 0.4/0.6/0.8/1.0
Level 10: +5 Health Regen OR +8 Agility
Level 15: -4s Smokescreen Cooldown OR 20% 1.5x Crit
Level 20: +900 Blink Strike Cast Range OR +0.2 Backstab Multiplier
Level 25: +400 Tricks of the Trade AoE OR Cloak and Dagger Doesn't Reveal

Riki is Dark Templar nao

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RUBICK:
Null Field can now be toggled between defensive and offensive forms. Has a 30 second cooldown once toggled. Offensive form reduces enemy magic resistance.
Null Field AoE increased from 900 to 1200
Level 10: +200 Health OR +60 Damage
Level 15: +100 Cast Range OR -35 Fade Bolt Hero Attack
Level 20: +5% Null Field OR +300 Telekinesis Land Distance
Level 25: +75% Spell Amp For Stolen Spells OR -15s Telekinesis Cooldown

+75%???????????????????? WHAT

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10-30-2017 , 02:31 PM

#20911

Kirbynator

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Level 4: Boar Level 4 + Hawk + Random Neutral
wth

ps: oldgrandma, that aoe stun has a 3 seconds channeling, sounds like msotly a building hitter thing

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10-30-2017 , 03:03 PM

#20912

Kirbynator

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10-30-2017 , 03:07 PM

#20913

Ra_Z_Boy

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Oh god I'm supposed to be busy at work.

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10-30-2017 , 03:16 PM

#20914

oldgrandma18k

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oh 3 seconds channeling. alright that's reasonable i guess.... weird item. good combo with something like Elder Titan stomp

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LONE DRUID:
Battle Cry cooldown reduced from 60 to 45
Battle Cry duration reduced from 6 to 5
Level 10: +175 Attack Range OR +250 Health
Level 15: -8s Savage Roar Cooldown OR +10 Spirit Bear Armor
Level 20: +40 Rabid Attack Speed OR -25s Battle Cry Cooldown
Level 25: 0 Entangle Cooldown OR Battle Cry Grants Spell Immunity

Thoughts on LD changes: actually kind of nerfed by removing Spirit Bear +50 dmg talent FeelsBadMan. Lvl 25 left talent 0 entangle cd is pretty underwhelming imo, but battle cry spell immunity on the other hand is pretty amazing. Honestly this is a buff to one of my favorite builds: double midas

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10-30-2017 , 03:18 PM

#20915

Kirbynator

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they copied Deadwood from hon for tiny and his tree :O

@vengeful spirit

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Whenever an allied hero dies under your damage aura, an illusion of that hero will be created, attacking the enemy that killed him for 7 seconds. Illusions deal 100% Damage. Illusions are ghosts/not targetable and are visible/known to the enemy.

jesus christ this is so strong to just be added without nerfing her in any other way?

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10-30-2017 , 03:24 PM

#20916

oldgrandma18k

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The weird thing about Tiny change is apparently he has 0 agility and 0 agility gain....... maybe it's a typo? I dunno that seems crazy

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10-30-2017 , 03:27 PM

#20917

Kirbynator

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woohoo finally reworked viper, now has an actual ability!

*and wraith king!

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10-30-2017 , 03:33 PM

#20918

PoppaTMan

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10-30-2017 , 04:41 PM

#20919

Inso0

banned

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,513

Valve has decided my rushing to 25 on Clinkz and winning otherwise unwinnable games by securing megas through backdoor protection is no longer an approved activity.

Also, Monkey King confirmed no longer a playable hero beyond 16 mins. (No health talent, no +damage talent, both of which were necessary to deal with otherwise poor scaling into lategame and stay ahead when you get ahead)

I look forward to playing lots of 3k mid Bane and Dazzle, though.

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10-30-2017 , 05:27 PM

#20920

oldgrandma18k

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Clinkz got a huge buff with new strafe though, and with talent you can dodge 7 spells

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10-30-2017 , 06:06 PM

#20921

Kirbynator

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new chen looks super busted

its like OSfrog had the buffs decided before chen cameback really meta

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10-30-2017 , 06:14 PM

#20922

Ambush

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Originally Posted by PoppaTMan

I am really tempted as well but not reinstalling just yet (free since aug/sept)

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10-30-2017 , 06:39 PM

#20923

Inso0

banned

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Originally Posted by oldgrandma18k

Clinkz got a huge buff with new strafe though, and with talent you can dodge 7 spells

Projectiles only. You'll still eat plenty of disables in a teamfight.

Deso was nerfed, you lose out on 27 agility overall at level 25, and his ult got nerfed again, but 3 seconds of +260 attack speed is still pretty good.

He's strictly a pickoff/skirmish hero now.

I don't necessarily blame them. It was a really fun way to win games, but I'm sure it was SUPER tilting to the enemy to be so far ahead and then lose your entire base over 90 seconds to a Clinkz with Boots of Travel.