Hi 2p2'rs,

hope all is well. I don't post much anymore, but I thought I would get an opinion on this if you guys are willing to read and comment. I would be eternally grateful Anyway, to business... I have been playing poker for roughly 3 years, always been a very slight loser, perhaps 0.8 bb/100 over 300k hands at various stakes. Rakeback though always kept me alive and cashing out. Lately, I took everything out and just left about $400 and started again from 20NL.

I think I have cracked 20 NL (as you can see from the stats and graph included, but please do feel free to comment as well), but 50 NL is still giving me huge swigns and mainly just losing at the tables as you can also see from the attached material. Anyway, I usually 8 table very comfortably (I used to 12 table but I have to rush when I do that and I don't like it) and hardly ever tilt anymore, but of course, like everyone short of Phil Ivey, I still do at times. Ok, I've written lots.. Let me hit you with the images. Please comment if you have some time and tell me what you think, with particular stress on why you think my 50NL game is so poo.

Thanks!


Overall Stats

Pretty similar from 20NL to 50NL... I just don't get where exactly the game is so different.




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20NL Position Stats & Graph

Here I seem to be doing just fine I guess, I am not too concerned, maybe I could improve the bb/100 rate, but I really shouldn't complain as 9bb is pretty decent.




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50NL Position Stats & Graph

This is my nemesis, I don't get it. As you can see from the graph, I was winning about 12bb/100 over the first 20k hands ish, but then just started going down just as fast... Any ideas?




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Thanks in advance guys!

See you at the tables :-)

You are going to showdown too much in 50nl it looks like...

Im in a seemingly neverending downswing, running for 37k hands now. The stats where I run 20bb/100 over 17k hands is right before the downswing. Does the stats show anything that indicates such different results? I beat NL25 at stars for 10bb/100 over 100k hands before moving up to NL50. Is it possible that im not good enough to beat NL50 consistently then?

Is it possible that its "just variance". Can anyone give me some relief by saying they once were in a 50k hand downswing and then went on a super heater for the next 50k hands???

What did struck me from these stats is that my raise turn cbet is pretty high. I can recall some situations in the downswing where I raised a turn cbet with some kind of draw, and sometimes I think its been spewy, while other times I think it was an ok play because of an combination of fold equity based on a read on my opponent and the strength of my draw.

Hey guys,

Been reading quite a few articles lately on 2+2 and im working hard on improving my game. One of my leaks was definately blindstealing and not often enough second and third barreling. Now i feel my blindstealing has somehow improved over the last 15.000 hands but i just cant seem to get my red line right.

I think im not playing well enough against donk en undersized bets.

These are my 10nl FR and 6 max stats:


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By michel_vz at 2010-01-23

By michel_vz at 2010-01-23

By michel_vz at 2010-01-23

Steal stats filtered without premium hands:


By michel_vz at 2010-01-23


Thank you so much for any constructive comments.

I guess the underlying fact is to fold more, and avoid marginal spots. Doing this will probably save me money instead of playing aggro to make money. Kinda like minimizing expenses instead of maximizing profit.

Marginal spots aren't -EV per se, they are just, uh, marginal.^^
But I think there might be some situations where you have clear folds but you are stubborn to lay down your TPTK or such.
Also, you might be tilting or playing too many tables because your red line first goes up then goes down dramatically. This usually happens to me when I'm too tired or not focused enough, then make loose calls on the turn only to fold the river to another bet.

Was doing ok until around hand 7500 when my gf decided to learn to play cash coming from a SNG background. She proceeded to drop 5 BI before I could turn off the power in the house at the main breaker.

Im aware that I am on the nitty side, though I would like to stay this way if the consenus is that I can play this way. LAGing up for me tends to become difficult.

Results are not important, therefore I am not posting them.
All pretty much at 25NL

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VPIP: 20.3%
PFR: 18.3%
3bet%: 6.8%
AGG: 3.04
Steal%: 35.8%
(BUT: 46.4 SB: 36.8 CO: 25.2)

foldSBto steal: 90.5%
foldBB to steal: 78.8%

W$WSF: 43.1%
WTSD: 24.5%
W$SD: 46.2%


Cbet%: 77.6%
FtoCBet%: 49.5%
RaiseCBet: 20.2%
BetRiver%:39.1%

UTG VPIP: 9.9%
Button VPIP: 34.2% (Ratio too high?)

SBWR: -.34
BBWR: -.66



POSTFLOP STATS

HeadsUp on Flop:

VPIP: 73.1%
PFR: 57.8%

WTSD%: 24.2
W$WSF%: 50.7
W$SD%: 43.5
BetRiv%: 37.1

Multiway on Flop:

VPIP 59.3%
PFR 24%

WTSD% 20.4%
W$WSF% 30.5%
W$SD% 47%
BetRiv% 43.8%


Position stats gratually move up from UTG to Button.
All positions are showing "some" profit.

Ive been playing on FTP mainly at the NL10 games, 2 tabling. I feel like I am nitty by these stats but my results kind of suck!

Can anyone see any areas where I am obviously losing money or not maximizing what I could be making? Thanks for the input

All of this looks pretty much in line to me...

Your Flop Cbet is a little high. At 25NL this should be closer to 70% since you will get called more often. Don't cbet drawier boards or OOP as much, should bring it down.

Are you seeing a lot of folds to your 3bets? That number looks a little high to me for 25NL. If you are 4bet you're going to be dumping most of your range, and when called your range against villain is marginal. But if you are picking up a lot of pots pre then it's ok.

here's a question I have for the stats gurus...

What's wrong with this picture?

Decent winner (4BB/100 over 70K hands)
WTSD is relatively low - 22%
Agg 36%
Redline constantly sinking

What am I doing wrong if:
- I'm not going to showdown that often
- I'm sufficiently aggressive postflop
- Yet I'm losing money without showdown?

... I must be folding too much to aggression... ???

I have a similar problem. Very low WTSD%, very high Aggression and a sinking red line. This leads me to believe I should check/call more and generally play more passively... yet playing passively is usually terrible poker. What type of hands should I be looking to play passively and against what type of opponents? (statwise?)

Yeah.. The issue may be we need to look at some of the better hands we are folding (which lowers our redline) and take those to showdown. It may cause our blue line to go down a little though. But if we've been folding those incorrectly I think it would have no effect on the blue line. We'll showdown winners and losers about equally.

I don't think there's any issue with picking up pots unless you are doing a lot of post flop raising then folding (I'm not).

Hi there, I'm quite new as a poster here on 2+2, but not new to poker.
I used to be a break-even microlimits player, but last year I started to take things more seriously and look at my game more.
I'm now at 25NL (sort-a grinding) and have 'okay-ish' stats over 63k hands 25nl/6max: +4.5bb/100 while playing 22/18/2.2, for a profit of $660.

My question concerns some stat I discovered today in my HEM about being the Preflop Aggressor or not. I set VPIP = True for these stats.

PFR = True: +117 bb/100 (vpip = 22%, AF = 3.1)
PFR = False: -47 bb/100 (vpip = 5.3%, AF = 1.3)

Should I make money when I'm not the preflop aggressor? These stats tend to believe I should call much less often against a bet preflop.
Right now I call 5.3% of the time, according to HEM. That consists mostly of (low) pocket pairs, and some suited face cards. I tend to 3-bet with high pairs and AK/AQ-hands. My 3-bet is 8%.
Should I drop low pairs like 22,33,44 to a bet preflop? I would think set-mining should be profitable.

I hope someone can tell if I have a huge leak concerning calling a PFR bet, or that these stats seem normal

Thanks in advance.
(re-post, i made a new thread, but I suppose that's not allowed )

Hi, I notice I'm losing lots of $$ without showdown. I'm pretty new at this, so I was wondering what this is saying about my playing style?

Sorry for the small sample. It's all 6max 2NL.

C4nd1de I wouldnt worry about the redline too much at 2NL, its gonna be pretty hard to get a decent red line at them stakes as people will call you down with top pair so much of the time, even when draws are obviously completed. You're greenline is going up at a very good rate which is what matters most.

If you really wanna try get the redline heading up, trying opening much wider on the button, and occasionally value bet bluff the river when you dont think the opponent is too bad!

Hi, i am very new to poker and my game sucks. Can u guys say some of my leaks with this grap and stats? I think i need change a lot my playing style so here i am looking for help.

6max Nl2

For those who are winning and worried about a sinking red line, I could elaborate this a little more but the bottom line is: At micro and small stakes your red line is SUPPOSED to go down !!!
The winning style at these stakes is basically value betting your good hands, because the main characteristic of the people you're gonna take money from is that they're huge calling stations. So you're not making money by pushing people off the hands, but by being paid off by them when you go to SD with the best hand (which will be very thin most of the times, if you are well adapted to the stakes).
If hypothetically you were playing exclusively against nits, the winning style would be red line up and SD line down, just the opposite of micro stakes. That's because the optimal adjustment would be to keep stealing relentlessly and backing off when facing resistance, in other words, pushing them off the hands and avoid ging to SD.
So, don't try to adjust to the red line, don't ever think about adjusting to YOUR stats, you have to adjust to your OPPONENTS. The sinking red line just shows WHY you are winning at these stakes, and that's because you are making the right adjustments to your opponents.

+10 000

You're extremely tight for 6max. So, this is okay to not lose money. But if you actually wanna win money you need to loosen up to some extent.
I would say, at least to a 18/15 style for starters.

for january, small sample

i can show my full 80k hand sample if ur interested, also with graph.

^^^^
sorry wrong place. new to the place so kinda getting used to the pages.

still appreciate feedback about my stats if need be

agree with that.

I find I do much better at 50NL when I'm 22/18 (now) then when I'm 17/15 (previously)

Your style looks weak tight. your hand strength is way ahead of your opponents, and you are doing ok because your are going to showdown with those hands a lot.

But your aggression is very low (Agg%, W$WSF). What this tells me is that you aren't picking up many uncontested pots, but more importantly you probably aren't betting and raising enough with your strong hands to suck value out of the 2NL crowd.

Thx el_grande, i gonna try open my range and be more agressive, when i make more 3~5k hands i post the results here.