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12-25-2009 , 10:00 PM
** Please Read **

When posting stats try and post as much information as possible. Don't expect a hugely detailed analysis just from posting VPIP/PFR. A guy playing 20/18 can be winning at 10bb/100 or losing at 20bb/100.

Things that help in stat analysis:

  • Graphs (with blue and red line)
  • Stats (Vpip/pfr/agg/wtsd/w$sd/river call efficiency)
  • Position stats (Where are you making your money, where are you losing money?)
  • Hand stats (what preflop hand is losing you the most, what holding is a leak for you at the river?)

Please also state:
  • How many tables you play at once.
  • A comment on your own perception of your style of play.

You'll find by looking at this yourself before posting will help a lot more than just posting a graph.

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12-26-2009 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DIrTystack
you seem to be quite an aggressive player. (agg factor 3.8 or higher in all positions). but losing in position at showdown. I instantly think of "uncontrolled aggression". Don't c-bet for the sake of c-betting. Don't 3bet for the sake of 3-betting. Have a reason for doing it. Have a plan for the hand. Your thought process shouldn't be "This guy folds to 3bets 87% so I'm going to 3bet in in the sb", it should be "This guy folds to 3bets 87% of the time, so I'm going to 3bet in the sb, but will fold to a 4bet, and if he flats me I will only c-bet on a non-broadway board."

from cut off (22/21) button (23/21) suggests you dont have a call button. You are either raising or folding. This sounds good and makes for a very macho statement. But if you are on the button with A3suited and co bets 3bb, sometimes, not always, but sometimes there is a merit to peeling cheap flop in position. Vary it up. be unpredictable.



PTR stats are poor at best. Can you comment on your style of play? What areas are you finding tough?
you think im auto-piloting too much? i play 8 tables of 6-max. i c-bet almost every time it is checked to me HU. if im called, i usually just give up. should i be more passive on draw heavy boards? should i also check back some flops?
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12-26-2009 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Number1Hater
you think im auto-piloting too much? i play 8 tables of 6-max. i c-bet almost every time it is checked to me HU. if im called, i usually just give up. should i be more passive on draw heavy boards? should i also check back some flops?
I'd imagine those stats 8 tabling does reflect "autopiloting". I usually play 4-5 tables when playing cash. I used to 16-20 table sit and goes which was perfect for autopilot, but I find cash to require more attention. In my opinion it is also more fun actually playing poker than just clicking buttons in auto mode.

If you are beating 8tables at 2bb/100, then that is as good as beating 4 tables for 4bb/100 in terms of winrate/hour. So depends alot on what you want from the game. I reckon though if 8 tabling you are scraping a profit, you can grind you're way up a few levels but eventually the current style will get eaten alive by villains who are paying attention.

Specifically, the c-bet every time its checked to you heads up is the type of play that anyone with a HUD will pick up on after 50+ hands. You're the type of player I would float alot, let you stab at the pot, and either check raise, or call--bet, and usually take down the pot reasonably easily.
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12-26-2009 , 06:30 PM
Hi guys am going through a bit of a downswing at the moment so would appreciate any advice on my stats. I play NL10 and NL25.

My own perception is that I play fairly LAG and perhaps I am a little too aggressive. I tend to play 4-6 tables at once, more 4 than 6 and always feel like I lose hands early in the session only to come back later on (but this may just be a perception. I isolate almost automatically with my whole range for a given position if someone limps in and if both of the blinds are anything less than VPIP 15 I will steal ATC. I think I value bet thin (sometimes too thin) on the river.

Over 51000 hands I am:

VPIP PFR W$WSF WTSD W$SD AF 3 bet Fold 3bet Att to steal Fold BB Fold SB
26.84 20.5 48.24 24.52 51.22 3.68 5.35 71.29 41.25 73.87 80.52

Positionally

Pos VPIP PFR CCPF W$WSF W$SD WTSD
B 33.9 27.8 15.0 50.6 51.6 25.1
1 26.8 23.1 15.2 54.2 51.6 26.0
2 22.9 21.3 14.6 55.1 53.5 23.4
3 20.3 20.2 51.8 50.7 25.3
BB 17.4 6.4 40.7 49.5 24.6
SB 36 24.4 49.1 52.5 23.2

My Cbet % is 83/56/46 for F/T/R I feel like these are high?
and AF is 2.7/4.2/3.1/2.3 (Pre/F/T/R)

Although I play fairly loose I have filtered for different hand categories and there doen't seem to be one that's costing me money before blinds are taken into account apart from maybe o/suit connectors on the button where I played 30% of them from 600 hands and they lost me 3.3BB/100. The majority of the money was lost on three hands though 2 of which I was a 66%+ favourite on when the money went in and the third where I three barreled an o/e straight draw. So it doesn't feel like this is such a big leak.

My biggest two losers are 65s(where the money was lost SB/BB) and ATs (where the money was lost in the SB and CO).

As a final thing my variance seems high 54.68 BB/100. Wondered how this compares to other peoples or is there a thread about this some where.

Thanks in advance.
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12-26-2009 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbinu
Hi guys am going through a bit of a downswing at the moment so would appreciate any advice on my stats. I play NL10 and NL25.I usually play at the lower level when things aren't going well. Do you use a "stop-loss" strategy? For me, if I lose 3.5 buy ins in one sessions I will auto close everything and take a break. This prevents a major leak from tilt.

My own perception is that I play fairly LAG and perhaps I am a little too aggressive. I tend to play 4-6 tables at once, more 4 than 6 and always feel like I lose hands early in the session only to come back later on (but this may just be a perception.I find if I open 1 table, then a few mins later a 2nd, and few mins later a third, etc, that I have too much time per hand with only 1 table and play way too many hands out of boredom or because i think I can crush everyone only 1 tabling, so I try to get my 4 tables open as quick as i can. I isolate almost automatically with my whole range for a given position if someone limps ini used to play alot of omaha8, and one thing I learnt from that is that isolation can be BAD. The default is "ZOMG must isolate cos lol 2+2 regs say so" but if you have a hand like A8suited, raising/3betting to isolate will fold out hands that may pay you off later. With a8suited im only ever getting my stack in with the nutflush or a house, so if i've raised and isolate and flop comes 27J all in my suit for my flopped flush and my SINGLE isolated opponent misses, I wont get any $$, but if i see a 5 handed limped pot and flop the nuts, there is more players who may have caught a piece of the flop and can pay me off. Cliff notes: sometimes its better to have more players see a flop with you. and if both of the blinds are anything less than VPIP 15 I will steal ATC. I think I value bet thin (sometimes too thin) on the river.

Over 51000 hands I am:

VPIP PFR W$WSF WTSD W$SD AF 3 bet Fold 3bet Att to steal Fold BB Fold SB
26.84 20.5 48.24 24.52 51.22 3.68 5.35 71.29 41.25 73.87 80.52

Positionally

Pos VPIP PFR CCPF W$WSF W$SD WTSD
B 33.9 27.8 15.0 50.6 51.6 25.1
1 26.8 23.1 15.2 54.2 51.6 26.0
2 22.9 21.3 14.6 55.1 53.5 23.4
3 20.3 20.2 51.8 50.7 25.3
BB 17.4 6.4 40.7 49.5 24.6
SB 36 24.4 49.1 52.5 23.2

My Cbet % is 83/56/46 for F/T/R I feel like these are high? 83% cbet does seem high. If i'm at your table i'd float against you with any two.
and AF is 2.7/4.2/3.1/2.3 (Pre/F/T/R)

Although I play fairly loose I have filtered for different hand categories and there doen't seem to be one that's costing me money what is your biggest losing hand catagory? High card? Two Pair? One Pair on a paired board? Over pair? There has to be a biggest loser.before blinds are taken into account apart from maybe o/suit connectors on the button where I played 30% of them from 600 hands and they lost me 3.3BB/100. The majority of the money was lost on three hands though 2 of which I was a 66%+ favourite on when the money went in and the third where I three barreled an o/e straight draw. So it doesn't feel like this is such a big leak.

My biggest two losers are 65s(where the money was lost SB/BB) and ATs (where the money was lost in the SB and CO).

As a final thing my variance seems high 54.68 BB/100. Wondered how this compares to other peoples or is there a thread about this some where.

Thanks in advance.
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12-26-2009 , 07:12 PM
Tanks for that. I filtered by hole cards. I am up in all hand categories (pre blind) on the flop with the exception of single gutshots (down a bit) and high cards where I am down a lot.
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12-26-2009 , 07:13 PM
Sorry meant that i filtered by hole cards originally and have just done the hand categories.
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12-26-2009 , 07:15 PM
Down a bit with mid and lower pairs too. So maybe this is a sign that I am too aggro w/cbets?
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12-26-2009 , 07:46 PM
Hey guys should we be in the positive in spots where we face a 3 bet and call a 3 bet? and if so what is a decent WR range? I imagine it might be fairly player dependent for both but wasnt sure what we should be working towards.
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12-26-2009 , 08:27 PM
How do you check in HEM your stats by position?
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12-26-2009 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DIrTystack
zman, you have to, HAVE TO, win more from the button. My guess is you're giving up too many pots uncontested. i.e. your vpip/prf on the button looks fine, but then your winrate is poor - like you are stealing from the button and then giving up when you miss. This is a common leak if you play a crazy amount of tables as the more tables you play the less "poker" you play, and you're just nitting ABC poker, and usually badly at this level. Take some more chances on the button, if someone cbets into you, and you've missed, reraise him on dry boards etc. dont just hand him the pot.
Thanks for the advice. I went through a lot of my hands on the button and I've been leaking a lot of money by being too passive. Time to ramp up the aggression!
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12-26-2009 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by hustlethis
How do you check in HEM your stats by position?
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12-26-2009 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by #1ThunderFan
Thanks alot.

Man I am getting crushed in the blinds. Anyone know a good thread to read about how to play the blinds?
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12-26-2009 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hustlethis
Thanks alot.

Man I am getting crushed in the blinds. Anyone know a good thread to read about how to play the blinds?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...blinds-520963/

A FR thread but should have some relavent parts for SH play.
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12-26-2009 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by #1ThunderFan
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...blinds-520963/

A FR thread but should have some relavent parts for SH play.

Thanks again.
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12-26-2009 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbinu
Down a bit with mid and lower pairs too. So maybe this is a sign that I am too aggro w/cbets?
in raised pots i flat with 22-88 and even 99,tt sometimes. if the raise is too big, or villain seems too strong... like a 15/9 raising utg, or a 45/0 raising for the first time i look for a reason to fold tt or lower.

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Originally Posted by #1ThunderFan
Hey guys should we be in the positive in spots where we face a 3 bet and call a 3 bet? and if so what is a decent WR range? I imagine it might be fairly player dependent for both but wasnt sure what we should be working towards.
id imagine when we face a 3bet and call we're gonna be losing. my HEM wont load right now (grrrr?!!?!?) so cant check mine. sorry


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Originally Posted by hustlethis
Man I am getting crushed in the blinds. Anyone know a good thread to read about how to play the blinds?
make sure your fold button works!
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12-27-2009 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DIrTystack
id imagine when we face a 3bet and call we're gonna be losing. my HEM wont load right now (grrrr?!!?!?) so cant check mine. sorry
I was advised that this should probably be in the plus. It is a leak of mine that I am calling way to many 3 bets but wasnt sure if we were trying to get both stats in the +. I think call 3 bets is supposed to be in the + for sure but not so sure about when we face 3bets since we are supposed to be folding quite a bit.
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12-28-2009 , 07:11 PM
Hello
I d really appreciate some help with my game!
I ve recently moved from 2NL to 10NL
did "ok" I guess at 2NL but I m having a hard time at 10nl
So I ve included both my 2NL and 10NL graph along with my 10NL stats
10NL are the stakes I m playing at these days
I play at 4 tables max at the same time
thanks in advance..
2NL:
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10NL:

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12-28-2009 , 07:51 PM
where's your vpip stat?
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12-28-2009 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DIrTystack
where's your vpip stat?
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12-29-2009 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dan233
well i think we found the problem!

from the small blind you have stats of (vpip/pfr) 60/23 and you're c-betting 66% of the time (flop cbet). This means you are limping into 40% of all hands from the small blind... this is a MAJOR leak. From both small and big blind look for a reason to fold. Also, when you do get into pots, you are betting at 66% of them out of position. This is also a Major leak. in the blinds, fold fold fold.

You're c-betting at 70%+ of ALL flops, this is like burning money. You have to have a reason to c-bet. And it has to be believable by your opponent. If you c-bet any regular 70% of the time he is going to take $ after $ after $ from you just by playing smart and without ever needing a hand.

Generally speaking, there's alot in your stats that can be discussed, but you're way off (in my opinion) from getting the fundamentals.

Very tight out of position - i.e. fold your small and big blind more.
Tone down your continuation bets.
Generally be tighter.
Generally be tighter.
Generally be tighter.

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12-29-2009 , 08:21 PM
Hello all.

Its my first post here at stats thread and in case i miss something please let me know so i can add it.

Most of the times im 6tabling and in some cases i add another table.
I know my hands sample is not that big , but would love some information.
I believe that my biggest leak (or at least one of my biggest) is the cbet% and according to leak buster that i raise SO many hands from SB.

Any advice is more than welcome.
Thanks everyone for his time

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12-29-2009 , 08:24 PM
Hi,

I'm sorry i do not have 10k hands, I am just curious of what a good player would think of my HEM numbers.

I'm new with hem and not sure what i should be running. Thanks for any help.

24/10/18/2.4
2.5/81/33/263

This is after a couple hours.


Thanks,

Ryan
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12-30-2009 , 11:28 AM
See post #1501
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12-30-2009 , 06:28 PM
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any input would be great btw 1st 5k hands were played like i could bluff everyone of there hands
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