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04-26-2009 , 03:42 PM
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04-26-2009 , 03:56 PM
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I don't understand.
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04-26-2009 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Quinn Warren
Some things I have been trying to work on:

I noticed I had been limping SC's after 1 or 2 limpers which has lost me quite a bit. Still open raising pretty much any 2 in LP.


Playing too many QT, KT, QJ, KJ, A10 type hands up front. Whether limping or raising, I was finding myself in lots of ugly spots postflop. I think this has been arguably my biggest preflop leak

Postflop i feel like I'm playing pretty well, Cbetting HU, evaluating well multiway and checking a fair share of turns when I'm strong has led to lots of villain river bluffs/poor value bets.

Recently I've been having a problem flopping sets or top two and having the flush card turn. In these spots should I be blocking OOP and folding to a raise unless I'm getting the odds to fill up?

If you look at my 3bet% its at 2.43 which is pretty low, correct? I'm pretty much only 3-betting QQ+ and AK, and I think opening this up a bit in the right spots could help me a bit. Any ideas or advice here?

Ok, here it goes.

First of all your preflop game is way off. Your opening way to many hands from early position and are open-limping way to much which is not done in 6max games.

here's a good range to be playing from the different positions as your starting out:

UTG = AJo+, ATs+, 22+, KQo, KQs
MP = ATo+, A9s+, QJs+, KJs, KQo, 22+
CO = A5s+, A8o+, JTo+, JTs+, 22+, 98s+, K9s
BTN = A2s+, A6o+, JTo+,JTs+,22+, 65s+, 75s+, K9s, J8s+

SB = raise 88+, AJo+, ATs+, KQo, KQs when nobody has raised yet, limp 22-77, 98s+, Axs ,suited broadways => fold everything else
BB = see above

calling a raise :

MP = AQo, AQs, 22+, 3bet AK, QQ+
CO/BTN = call 65s+,22+, sometimes 3bet AQ, JJ,TT, always 3bet AK, QQ+
CO/BTN with caller in front = above + call Axs, suited broadways

This will get your 3bet up + your preflop game.

As for postflop,

checking a strong hand on the turn to induce is almost never a good plan, the guys at these stacked are such stations that they will call with anything so just bet 3 streets for value and look to get the stacks in rather then trying to let them bluff.

With a set or top 2 on the turn I'm always bet/floding bet/calling depending on what type of player i'm against + pot odds + reads. FWIW I'll fold 2pair way more often then a set since I have far less equity with 2pair against a flush/straight then with a set (4 outs(9%) against 10 outs (22%)).
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04-26-2009 , 05:10 PM
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I don't understand.
Crop the image so you dont have to upload/post all that dead white space.
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04-26-2009 , 05:11 PM
Hopefully someone can help me identify leaks. Running between 2.5 to 4bb/100 is sort of upsetting when I see how people run much higher, and I don't know what I'm doing outrageously wrong.




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04-26-2009 , 05:33 PM
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Hopefully someone can help me identify leaks. Running between 2.5 to 4bb/100 is sort of upsetting when I see how people run much higher, and I don't know what I'm doing outrageously wrong.






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04-26-2009 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by starscream1101
Just giving this thread a quick bump...maybe someone could give me some basic guidance on the my positional stats? I have the full post a couple posts up...but am really looking for positional stat advice...?

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I don't understand.
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Crop the image so you dont have to upload/post all that dead white space.

Task completed...I will do that for now on. Any thoughts on positional stats?
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04-27-2009 , 02:48 PM
hi all,

a friend of mine who 2-tables 25NL asked me if I could take look at his stats, but I hardly play NL holdem and I don't want to give him bad advice.

a brief feedback woud be very kind:








thanks

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04-27-2009 , 07:30 PM



lol weird graph huh.. maybe i should quit pokerz?

Last edited by LeeMurrrr; 04-27-2009 at 07:49 PM.
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04-28-2009 , 01:20 PM
which trend were you smoking dank chronic, the upper trend or the lower trend?
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04-28-2009 , 09:28 PM
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which trend were you smoking dank chronic, the upper trend or the lower trend?
lol, maybe shot taking isn't the best thing. or quit after you quadruple up
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04-30-2009 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Shoe Lace
I can't seem to beat NL25 consistently.

Here's a break down of PPs in the BB:
[30] AA: +2 buyins
[12] AKs: +0.6 buyins
[49] AKo: -0.2 buyins
[34] KK: -2 buyins
[22] QQ: +1 buyin
[18] JJ: +0.8 buyins
[23] TT: -0.4 buyins
[25] 99: -0.6 buyins
[36] 88: -1.5 buyins
[24] 77: -0.1 buyins
[27] 66: -0.8 buyins
[28] 55: +0.25 buyins
[27] 44: -1.6 buyins
[26] 33: -0.3 buyins
[28] 22: +0.35 buyins

And from the SB:
[24] AA: +2.1 buyins
[20] AKs: +0.8 buyins
[67] AKo: +2.1 buyins
[30] KK: +4.05 buyins
[30] QQ: -0.3 buyins
[31] JJ: -0.3 buyins
[28] TT: +1.1 buyins
[32] 99: -0.15 buyins
[32] 88: +1.7 buyins
[29] 77: -0.95 buyins
[32] 66: +0.5 buyins
[22] 55: -0.15 buyins
[17] 44: -0.15 buyins
[29] 33: -0.15 buyins (yep 33-55 are -0.15)
[27] 22: -0.4 buyins

I .
I don't know if anyone helped you out here but reading this, PP's should be your bread and butter in these games at NL25, even from the blinds.

All my PP's from the blinds at NL25 show very good profits, with AA/KK doing really well.

I don't know how you play them? To be breaking even on PP's would be worrying at this level.

If the pot is unraised then just raise and then value bet any set or overpair.

The great thing about raising from the blinds is the players in the pot will be limp callers PF, so they are in the majority extremely bad players!

You also mentioned playing OOP. At this level, you don't really have to worry about marginal hands OOP, do the VAST majority of your raising from LP- open up on the CO and BTN and raise hands like 79s and 65o, players will check fold to c-bets very often when OOP- position is such an advantage that I only raise premium hands OOP. Not many NL25 players will be noting from what position you raise.

When you do find yourself OOP and being floated, I think a good play is to c-bet then check raise the turn. Most low stakes NL players will fire a steal bet if you c-bet then check the turn OOP, so with AA on a 7 8 2 board, c-bet, say turn comes 2, then check raise it all in. It is hard to get paid otherwise- it also prevents difficult river decisions. Say you bet turn and river comes another 8 or a J, now he could have trips or 9T for the straight and your whole stack is on the line to find out- OOP not much else will pay you off...if you check the turn, both any 8 or 9T will bet and call your shove as they'll be pot committed.
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04-30-2009 , 06:23 PM


what is wrong? i don't know.
nl 50 ipoker

just jumped from nl20
thanxx
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05-07-2009 , 10:39 PM
Hey these are from 10k hands at 5nl. Pretty sure I need to increase aggression when move up to 10nl but not sure if its ok to that at 5nl? Any other leak finds appreciated.





EDIT: Next time how do I post better pictures?

EDIT2: The steal percentage in last pic is 32.8....**** pics missed it

Last edited by Ravi; 05-07-2009 at 10:54 PM.
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05-08-2009 , 08:32 AM
@Ravi
Pretty solid stats for 5NL.

Regarding aggression:
Cbet more, 60% is very low. Try to get it to at least 70%.
When you do this, your AF will increase automatically.

Other things:
Your WTSD is pretty high, maybe your calling down too much.
VPIP/PFR of 18/15 is fine for 5NL. When you move up, you may want to increase that, too. Opening even more from the BTN is a good way to do this.
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05-08-2009 , 08:54 AM
MyriadChoices-You need to open up on the btn more. Isoltae limpers take dead money down more often. Also stop completing so much from the sb, this is a huge leak.
Also try leading out more when its checked to you in the bb, with gutshots, back door fd's btm pairs etc, HU and 3 way.
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05-08-2009 , 09:23 AM






Any suggestions on how to increase my WR would be appreciated and any obvious leaks. ty.
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05-08-2009 , 09:46 AM
^ Ur playing way too many hands in the sb.
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05-08-2009 , 10:46 AM
what should my vpip and pfr be from the SB ?
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05-08-2009 , 12:27 PM
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what is wrong? i don't know.
nl 50 ipoker

just jumped from nl20
thanxx
Clearly your SB VPIP is too high, your getting crushed there, and you might not defend your BB enough(but dont over do it). Also your cbet from out of the blinds is fairly high, i suspect some flop leaks OOP(because your UTG$ is too low. Getting raised a lot(where you have to fold because of OOP)? Dont cbet OOP in 3bet pots if your fold equity is not extremely high, because your going to get raised and called and unless you have the nuts, you will be extremely confused. Its ok to give up 3bet pots if you have 0 fold equity or are not willing to go with it. If you do cbet, you better have a plan in case you get raised or called. Don't cbet ''just to cbet''.


Your cutoff is weird, but from what i can see your picking the wrong spots to raise/bet. Play it like a tigher button and you should be fine.
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05-08-2009 , 12:38 PM
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what should my vpip and pfr be from the SB ?
Try work out some ranges in pokerstove and stick to them while playing. Dont try and fix ur stats, fix ur play and stats will fix themselves.
You should be 3 betting and raising more than completing.
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05-09-2009 , 04:39 AM
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@Ravi
Pretty solid stats for 5NL.

Regarding aggression:
Cbet more, 60% is very low. Try to get it to at least 70%.
When you do this, your AF will increase automatically.

Other things:
Your WTSD is pretty high, maybe your calling down too much.
VPIP/PFR of 18/15 is fine for 5NL. When you move up, you may want to increase that, too. Opening even more from the BTN is a good way to do this.
Hey, thanks for the feedback. Can you tell me what a reasonable WTSD is?

Also any other feedbacks would be appreciated.
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05-09-2009 , 04:50 AM
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Hey, thanks for the feedback. Can you tell me what a reasonable WTSD is?

Also any other feedbacks would be appreciated.
There isn't a perfect number, but I think anything between 23% and 27% should be standard.

Don't try to change your game radically, you're a decent winner at the moment. Maybe you can work these things into your game when your struggling with a higher limit.
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05-11-2009 , 10:44 AM
Any thoughts?



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05-15-2009 , 03:05 PM
I'm obv a bad micro player trying to get better.

Here are my stats:







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