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04-10-2015 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
-0.23 bb/100 is possible for the BB? Sounds a little optimistic.
Mine's -.19. I don't think I play particularly well in the blinds but it'll do. I think with a bit better play that I could manage -.14 or better but I'm not always on my a-game. .23 should be fairly easy to achieve without too much spew and decent ranges vs others ranges (ldo?). Fold a lot, keep a strong range, throw in a few 3b bluffs. Standard ****. My stats are 16/8/6 w/resteal of 7 there if you're curious.
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04-10-2015 , 06:22 PM
Is there a way to look up your winning from attempts to steal in HEM?
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04-12-2015 , 05:42 PM
hi guys, i'm looking for some feedback here on my stats from this week, think its large enough to make some conclusions. from what i have read before, my blinds are 100 % worse of whats accepting. about my prf per position i am aiming for something like this - ep 10, mp 15, co 25, btn 35-40, but not sure what should my blinds look like. also it seems i'm not 3beting enough especially from the blinds and i think my agg is too high. is 70 % of flop cbet ok? and what about turn cbet? i would appreciate any thoughts and advices, thanks in advance, cheers!

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04-13-2015 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Tri4ngle Choke
Is there a way to look up your winning from attempts to steal in HEM?
Yeah just go to more filters in a report and look for steal in quick filters.
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04-13-2015 , 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
Mine's -.19. I don't think I play particularly well in the blinds but it'll do. I think with a bit better play that I could manage -.14 or better but I'm not always on my a-game. .23 should be fairly easy to achieve without too much spew and decent ranges vs others ranges (ldo?). Fold a lot, keep a strong range, throw in a few 3b bluffs. Standard ****. My stats are 16/8/6 w/resteal of 7 there if you're curious.
Screenshot of sample? Very curious how it can be so good when you're that tight.
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04-15-2015 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Kouros
hi guys, i'm looking for some feedback
Check whether the weakest hands are profitable per seat (take blinds into account when needed). SB is way too high, that might be variation (look the big hands, profit chart). Your cbet turn is probably too high. I agree with you own analysis.

You shouldn't limp/call from EP/MP. Make sure your table and seat selection is good and try to improve postflop. Checking is okay and calling too sometimes. This way I think you can aim higher from the late positions (Btn even pfr 50 %).
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04-15-2015 , 11:22 PM


http://gyazo.com/621681a45c042803ba78a6d42498bf4f

Small sample size 6/100bb at 25NL what does the negative showdown value mean? Is that a leak from cbetting or blinds?
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04-15-2015 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
Screenshot of sample? Very curious how it can be so good when you're that tight.


All I have on this computer because I broke my other one shipping cross country after a move. It's not far from where it normally is though. Forgot to screenshot my stats, you'll have to take my word on that unless you insist.
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04-27-2015 , 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Iwearshadesat1/2


http://gyazo.com/621681a45c042803ba78a6d42498bf4f

Small sample size 6/100bb at 25NL what does the negative showdown value mean? Is that a leak from cbetting or blinds?
Its a combination of so many things, and most winning regs at micro stakes have a negative red line.

However its interesting that it was positive until the 10k hand mark, and then started plummiting.
did you double the number of tables you were playing?
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04-27-2015 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by lolgusaments
Hey guys - all feedback welcome! I play 10NLz and am running at 10.5 ev/bb (9.22 bb/100) over the 35k hands I've played.

Here's my most recent 14k hands. I'm running 2 buy ins above EV over this sample, but I didn't do anything different in these sessions than I do normally.

Would love advice on WTSD, defending against 3bets/4bets (both in and oop), my fold to cbet %, playing from the small blind and anything about aggression. Sorry, that's a spewy list - all advice very welcome.







Thank you
Stats look quite good to be honest.
Raise first in stat would be useful, as its hard to tell how often youre opening in just by looking at VPIP and PFR.
You could 3bet steal a little more from the blinds.
4betting looks solid IMO. Obviously numbers dont tell the full story. would be interesting to know a) if youre polarised here. and b) how well balanced you are.
Pokertrackers call Pf 3bet is a very misleading stat and shouldn't be looked at at all.
The reason for that being.. If EP opens, and MP 3bets..and you fold on the BTN, this counts as a "fold to 3bet" which is completely irrelevant.
I'm not sure what the more relevant stat is on Pokertracker. "fold to 3bet after raising" maybe. or something along those lines.
Either way. you asked about defending to 3bets/4bets.
Generally, someone will show instant profit 3betting you if you fold around 67% of the time. since you will call sometimes and allow them some equity, overall you should probably be folding closer to 55% of the time.
However this is only relevant if you believe someone is exploiting you, and you can fold more than this at these stakes if you dont believe you have a + EV call.
Defending against 4bets is actually relatively simple. You should be polarized in your 3betting generally, and just be shoving back your value range, folding your bluff range. There is no need to be too concerned about calling 4bets at NL10.

WTSD, W$SD, and WWSF are all remarkably high. That info, in addition to the fact that youre up 26 buy ins in 14,000 hands would suggest that you are on a massive heater. Thats not to say you're not beating your limit, you easily could be crushing.
but a WWSF that high is pretty hard to maintain without being a crazy bluffer. And your high W$SD and WTSD suggest otherwise.

you didnt post your fold to cbet % so cant comment on it. ~45% is an ok number though.

regarding small blind play, I would suggest having a very narrow calling range vs EP and MP. vs EP maybe calling TT-QQ, AQ, AKo. and 3betting only KK , AA and AKs for value. and then you can 3bet bluff a hand like AJ if you want. similar vs MP but we can add QQ and AKo to our 3bet range. flat 99, maybe 88.
vs BTN and CO we should have some flatting range, but it would make life easier to just 3bet our entire continuing range, and i think is fine at NL10.
3bet ~10% vs CO and ~18% vs btn and i think youll be fine.

and lastly, when it folds around to you in the SB. People dont defend nearly enough vs sb Steals at micro stakes. if BB folds more than ~62.5% you show instant profit raising any two cards to 3bb. since you will improve on the flop sometimes / take it down with a cbet.....we can say that if BB folds > 55% of the time to a SB steal. you can raise any two.
Id suggest adding this stat to your HUD.
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04-29-2015 , 09:07 AM
Hey guys just signed up after lurking for the past few months. My alias is sonic172 (I'm the one you've probably been winning a fair few pots off at the micros!

I want to ask some advice as although I'm not losing as much as I used to it is still a fair amount and I've seen a lot of people say not to worry too much about the red line at these stakes it is still really bad (and getting considerably worse as you can see!)

The money won from showdown seems to be levelling out so I'm eager to get this red line sorted to at least losing a little bit so I can break even/ make profit.

I'm more than happy to grab any other stats you guys think would be useful to see where I'm going wrong here and much appreciation for the least bit of help I can get!



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04-29-2015 , 01:35 PM
Hi everyone. I'm new to the forum and have only just started tracking. I'd really appreciate some advice about my stats over the past month of 10NLHE.

Although results have been pretty good, I'm aware from my all in adj stats that I must have been pretty lucky over a few sessions! Is there an explanation that I would be beating the EV of the yellow line or is that just wishful thinking?

I think I'm calling too much (esp on river) and also that aggression levels could be higher.

Thanks in advance.




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05-01-2015 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sonic172
Hey guys just signed up after lurking for the past few months. My alias is sonic172 (I'm the one you've probably been winning a fair few pots off at the micros!

I want to ask some advice as although I'm not losing as much as I used to it is still a fair amount and I've seen a lot of people say not to worry too much about the red line at these stakes it is still really bad (and getting considerably worse as you can see!)

The money won from showdown seems to be levelling out so I'm eager to get this red line sorted to at least losing a little bit so I can break even/ make profit.

I'm more than happy to grab any other stats you guys think would be useful to see where I'm going wrong here and much appreciation for the least bit of help I can get!



you're down 8 buy ins in 11,000 hands which isnt' really anything to go by.

Red lines and blue lines are affected by variance too. so i dunno if you should really be looking at a negative red line as an issue yet, when its on par with your green line. you could just be running really bad.

However even if your red line was like that , its not a big issue at NL2.

To analyse your game you would need to post stats though.
VPIP, PFR, 3bet, 4bet%, 4bet range(4bet ratio on pokertracker i believe), Raise first in% (or steal%)
cbet flop% , fold to flop cbet%, Cbet turn, fold to turn cbet,
WWSF, W$SD, WTSD%, among other stats. and post each of these by position too.
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05-01-2015 , 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by M00t
Hi everyone. I'm new to the forum and have only just started tracking. I'd really appreciate some advice about my stats over the past month of 10NLHE.

Although results have been pretty good, I'm aware from my all in adj stats that I must have been pretty lucky over a few sessions! Is there an explanation that I would be beating the EV of the yellow line or is that just wishful thinking?

I think I'm calling too much (esp on river) and also that aggression levels could be higher.

Thanks in advance.



Nothing you do will affect whether you run above or below EV.

VPIP /PFR are too far apart.
For starters you should never be limping in. I dunno if you currently are.
Also try eliminate the majority of your SB flatting range. and try implement a 3bet or fold strategy vs most positions.
SB vs BTN you can be 3betting 15-20%, flatting a wide range is a mistake vs most opponents. you dont really get the odds to call, and a lot of the time you'll either get squeezed by the BB, or play a multiway pot out of position.

I dunno what your raise first in % is, but roughly looking at your PFR% , I imagine it can be higher on the BTN.

You should be 3betting a bit more preflop. MP should not be higher than CO/BTN, although this might just be a sample size issue.
you should have some 3bet bluffs vs nearly everyone. With the exception being guys that call all 3bets.
look to do it with hands that just about are not good enough to call a raise with.
So BTN vs CO, we could 3bet JJ+, AK ...and then hands like Q8s, J7s, T8s, QJo, etc..

Optimally speaking, we should be calling 50% or more river bets. the average bet size by our opponent will be less than pot. which means we should be calling >50% to stop them profitably bluffing. however at micros i think folding more would be ideal. But theres no perfect number. so just try to get better at hand reading, and dont be afraid to make a good lay down if it feels right.

Aggression seems fine.
Turn and river Agression frequency seem too high if anything. not stats im too familiar with. but i thought i rememberd seeing ideal turn frequency between 30% and 45%, and river between 25% and 40%.
though i could be mistaken.
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05-01-2015 , 11:24 AM
Thanks so much Gary!



There are the stats by position. I'm struggling to see anything too messed up here but I am very new so keen to hear any holes you think I may have!

And in terms of variance looking at the "luck" bell curve in PT it is edging quite towards the unlucky side of things so would be nice to hear that it's simply a bad stretch but would also like to get everything I can to get ahead.

Let me know if any other stats would help and I'll post them up also.
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05-01-2015 , 01:40 PM
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Thanks so much Gary!



There are the stats by position. I'm struggling to see anything too messed up here but I am very new so keen to hear any holes you think I may have!

And in terms of variance looking at the "luck" bell curve in PT it is edging quite towards the unlucky side of things so would be nice to hear that it's simply a bad stretch but would also like to get everything I can to get ahead.

Let me know if any other stats would help and I'll post them up also.
for starters, 18/13 is just wayy too tight for 6 max. but i'll go through the stats individually to explain why this is so low.
Your 3bet % should be highest from the SB.
its the position where we get the worst odds to cold call,we're out of position and open ourselves up to getting squeezed a lot.
Technically we should have a flatting range in the SB vs all positions, hands that we 3bet for value, and hands that we 3bet as bluffs.
For example. vs CO we might 3bet JJ+, AK for value. flat 77-TT, AJ-AQ, KQ. and then 3bet bluff stuff like JTs- 87s. KJo etc.
However at NL2 i wouldn't be worried about splititng up our ranges like this.

Instead, i'd suggest 3betting all of your continuing range vs the BTN and CO.
Vs BTN maybe 3bet the top 18% of hands. which might be something like:
22+, any suited Ace. ATo+, KTs+, KJo+,QTs+, QJo, JTs, T9s, 98s
And fold everything else.
vs CO, we could 3bet the top 10-11%. which might be
77+, ATs+, AJo+, KTs+,KQo, QTs+, JTs, . However hands like AJo, 77-99 might play better as a flat. and 3bet the rest.
vs EP and MP you will be up against a tight range and will be playing out of position. so i think calling 99-JJ, AQ, AJs . 3betting QQ+, AK , and folding everything else is ok.

3betting in position looks okay, although it kinda depends what hands your doing this with. 3betting hands like TT, and AQ vs UTG is just asking for trouble.
And also don't limp/raise.

it seems like you never 4bet. As if you 4bet AA like half the time and nothing else. I dunno if this is part of your overall strategy, or if you're just running so badly that you haven't got AA or KK in 11000 hands, but there are always times when you could 4bet. people 3bet lighter than you think.
BTN vs blinds you should 4bet with the intention of getting it in with QQ+, AK. maybe JJ depending on the guy. i dunno how wide people 3bet at these stakes.
CO vs BTN you should be 4betting with the same kinda range.
MP vs BTN QQ+,aK generally again
EP maybe you might not wanna stack off with QQ, AK. but still most of the time you probably will.
You can and should have 4bet bluffs too.

raise first in % in EP is just shockingly low. Maybe its just a small sample size issue... but 7%? what is that. 88+, AJs+, AQo, KQ ?
you can DEFINITELY raise 77, 66, 55 . probably 22-44 too but they're not mandatory.
pretty much all suited royal cards should be opened too.
MP a bit better but you can go higher still.
Co and BTN look good too.
SB% depends so much on who is in the BB. but you can probably get away with raising very wide vs nearly everyone. however overall , that % is quite good.
cbetting looks good.
Fold to cbet% wayyy too high.
you'd wanna be just about on the other side of 50% . around 45% would be good for this.
In position you have to be willing to call a bit light. backdoor flush draws, the occasional ace high. A lot of opponents will check-fold on the turn after you call them, so try figure out good spots to do this.
OOP we can fold a little more, but still have to defend enough. dont just check-fold any pair on an A high board when the BTN cbets. he'll cbet this with almost any 2, and give up on the turn a lot.

Your cbet turn % is just insanely low. 45-50% for this would be better. at least 30% of your flop betting range should be good enough to bet again for value, and you should have double barrell bluffs too.

Fold to turn cbet% is actually alright.
WWSF is low. although i guess theres a ridiculous amount of multiway limped pots at NL2 so this could account for it.

Lastly CC 2bet PF.
It looks like your limp/calling sometimes in EP. just get rid of your limps altogether. MP is too low. When EP opens i think you can call with :
55-JJ, ATs-AQs, KJs+, QJs, JTs, AQo. which is around 6%. and you shouldn't always be 3betting QQ and AK, so these will be in your range sometimes too.
CO and BTN look good.

good luck
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05-01-2015 , 04:03 PM
Thanks for the analysis Gary. Really useful
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05-02-2015 , 07:23 AM
Agreed, massively detailed you went there Gary. Already focussed on fixing a few of the bigger ones. The 3betting more in SB is massive help, so many times I would flat there and then having to fold on flop when I missed and was OOP. now I'm set up to either win more when I hit the flop or take down the pot / defend blinds there and then.

I'll keep re-reading and trying different bits out. These stats were for full-ring not 6max (I'm posting in the wrong forum?) but I'd imagine that doesn't change too much?)
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05-02-2015 , 07:27 AM
I agreed with everything except the part where he says stack off with QQ and AK vs UTG.

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05-08-2015 , 09:07 AM
First time posting stats, probably overdue Any advice is most welcome.
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05-09-2015 , 01:24 PM
Hello! I started playing NL10 not too long ago, did some SNG/MTT before that. First did a bunch of 10NLz, too tough for me, so I switched to 8 tables of regular NL10. Really felt like it was A TON softer...

I don't have a huge sample yet (9k) but I was hoping I could get some initial feedback before putting much more hours into this.

Anything that pops out, hack away. Don't hold back your diagnostic skills. Even if it's just one small comment, anything is welcome. Thanks! Hope I will learn enough to offer feedback in return eventually.

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05-11-2015 , 07:42 PM
Just started 6 max NL games trying to make a switch from HU hypers. Losing -8.5bb/100 10-16NL reg and zoom. I must have some huge leaks and would be grateful for any comments:





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05-12-2015 , 06:55 PM
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Just started 6 max NL games trying to make a switch from HU hypers. Losing -8.5bb/100 10-16NL reg and zoom. I must have some huge leaks and would be grateful for any comments:
It shows that you are transitioning from HU hypers! must be pretty tough changing habits this drastically.

Basically from looking at stats and curve my diagnosis is this. When you find yourself BB vs SB raise, and in postflop situations with one opponent, you are in a similar environment than in HU hypers. The difference is that opponents don't have a random hand like in HU, they usually have at least top 15% hands, around top 5% in 3bet pots. So it looks like your playing style is similar to what you would do vs an opponent with random cards HU, but you should be playing much less aggressively and adapting to your opponents' stronger range.

For example your cbet% is off the charts. I think good cbet% should be somewhere around 50%, depending how strong your preflop range is. Basically the tighter you are, the higher the percentage can go theoretically because you are playing stronger hands, but it depends a lot on flop textures and I think you are bleeding out money by cbetting 80% of flops. Maybe think more about why you are cbetting? For value? To bluff? Is the flop dry enough for a bluff or will V call because the flop is too connected?

Your high aggression shows not only in your AFq, but simply because your redline is shooting upwards and your blue line is going down. You're getting called down too much because you're betting too frequently and opponents start calling with weaker holdings, but at the same time you're getting people to fold a lot hence the positive red line.

At these micro stakes the opposite is standard. Your red line can stagnate or even plunge pretty fast and it is perfectly fine. What's important is your showdown line. Because a lot of players will call you down light at these limits or take too many stabs with weak holdings, you should focus on making $$ from those mistakes, and folding with weaker holdings on the river (e.g. one-pair hands are pretty strong HU, but in 6max you are usually beat at showdown).

Also you've noticed that your losses are mostly from when you are BB right? If I were you I would focus on changing my BB play. Again maybe you are playing like you would HU. I think 32% VPiP is much too high in the BB, and 56% fold to steal too low. I think folding to steal around 70% is ok? Not sure. Basically you want to be calling with a pretty tight range (a little looser vs SB because you are IP), and I would be 3betting more than 5%. To summarise: call less, fold more, 3bet more.

Last thing I can think of right now, I think your call pre-flop 3bet is incredibly high as well. Especially in EP when you are OOP, your call3bet% should be nowhere near 60%. Remember to fold more when you are OOP facing a 3bet. What's interesting is that your call3bet decreases the further your position, but I think the opposite should be showing: a higher call3bet% in late positions, and much lower in EP-MP.

Ok last thing. Your PFR seems OK for EP-MP-CO, but I would open a little wider BTN, somewhere around 30-50%.

Just my 2 cents don't believe everything I say I'm also NL10 player, ask around maybe I'm totally wrong on some points.
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05-14-2015 , 04:03 AM
Hey guys!
I have 150k of 10 Zoom under my belt and am not happy with the results, although i have certainly been on the wrong side of variance.
Maybe there is something you can compare to your stats or spot some "off" numbers that make my life hard.

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05-16-2015 , 07:36 AM
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Hey guys!
I have 150k of 10 Zoom under my belt and am not happy with the results, although i have certainly been on the wrong side of variance.
Maybe there is something you can compare to your stats or spot some "off" numbers that make my life hard.

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i'm also a 10nl zoom player so i'm no expert, but the main thing i notice is that you are not folding early enough in the hand. your fold to flop, turn and river cbet % are all too low, ideally each of these should be around 50%. and as a result of not folding enough on each street, your WTSD% of 28 is too high (this should definitely be a few % lower imo). my advice is to not float so often if you are doing so, and give up marginal hands on the turn and especially the river more often. People don't generally follow through on the river unless they have a hand they really like at the micros, so one pair (yes even top pair!) is typically no good. instead of saying "i have top pair top kicker, can i really fold this?", ask yourself "can my opponent really have bluffs in his range here?" and i think this should help you a bit. my two cents anyway
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