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01-12-2009 , 11:21 PM
Ok cool, I will definitely do that. But off to sleep now so I'll do it tomorrow. Thanks a lot man.
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01-13-2009 , 04:17 AM
Help on my stats please? I'm really wondering about the stats near the bottom of each of these pages - the three-bet, check raise etc. But comments on everything else would be great too. Here is what I have done so far:

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10NL






25NL





Thanks
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01-13-2009 , 05:59 AM
3b range is really tight... Probably correctly so at NL5, but at NL25 you might want to open it up a bit. 3bet JJ+ and AQ+ "all the time" (which alone should give you a higher percentage) and try picking up some good spots to do it lighter (though this is not required to beat NL25, it will prepare your game for higher levels).

The check-raised/WTSD/WWOSD seem to be based on total hands dealt rather than ammount of flops seen and are hard to judge.

Biggest leak is probably your SB VPIP, which is insanely high. Based on the large gap between flop seen and vpip in the BB, I'm guessing it simply limps alot to you giving you great odds to complete. If your SB VPIP comes from calling opens, it's way too high. If it's from completing things like 75s with 3 limpers, it can't be that bad (but still too high imo). A high PFR in the SB is ok to steal the BB if it folds to you, or if you're isolating players who limp-fold or fold to cbets, but SB is the worst postflop position so in general you want to avoid playing flops as much as you can from this seat.
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01-17-2009 , 11:08 AM
Hi Guys,

Here are my stats for NL10.
Any help would be appreciated...

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01-17-2009 , 11:50 AM
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01-17-2009 , 12:01 PM
Hey guys, was looking @ my positional stats:




And my "middle" stats kinda freaked me out... i mean i should be winning money from mid... and any advice on giving free money from the BB is also appreciated

my bad bout the pics legend, its Hands, $$, bb/100, VPIP, PFR, 3bet, WTSD%, W$SD%, Agg n Agg%
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01-18-2009 , 01:33 AM
Concerning WTSD and W$SD, what are sensible values for those? I currently have a WTSD of 34%, which seems a bit high, although I am also at 57.5% W$SD. Just wondering if this needs work.
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01-18-2009 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by SbteH
Hey guys, was looking @ my positional stats:




And my "middle" stats kinda freaked me out... i mean i should be winning money from mid... and any advice on giving free money from the BB is also appreciated

my bad bout the pics legend, its Hands, $$, bb/100, VPIP, PFR, 3bet, WTSD%, W$SD%, Agg n Agg%
At the same time, your SB stats are way too good and you're winning more UTG than you are in the CO. It's probably just variance and will even out over a bigger sample.
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01-18-2009 , 06:35 AM
I really think i have tons of leaks, can anyone comment on my stats
These are my first 10K hands in 50NL(i know they are not much)
maybe somebody could help identify my problems.(before they advance!)

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I dont like the form of this graphic.
I think i have a c/f mentality. how can i have this corrected before is too late?

Last edited by LordDante; 01-18-2009 at 06:49 AM. Reason: another stat
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01-18-2009 , 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Fenrisulfur
Concerning WTSD and W$SD, what are sensible values for those? I currently have a WTSD of 34%, which seems a bit high, although I am also at 57.5% W$SD. Just wondering if this needs work.
I think high WTSD and high W$SD means you're not valuebetting thin enough. It's easier to fold out worse hands than better ones but you're still going to get some in some of these spots. WTSD is usually between 25-29 and W$SD 52-55 (or 48-50 for some people).
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01-18-2009 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by LordDante
I really think i have tons of leaks, can anyone comment on my stats
These are my first 10K hands in 50NL(i know they are not much)
maybe somebody could help identify my problems.(before they advance!)

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I dont like the form of this graphic.
I think i have a c/f mentality. how can i have this corrected before is too late?

Hate to do this but
BUMP!
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01-18-2009 , 08:41 PM
Hey guys this is ~ 13 k hands at mostly 25 NL but some 10 NL.. If someone could help me out and help identify leaks or what i may be doing wrong. I'm relatively a newer player, i used to play in spurts and not ever show any long term profit but now im properly rolled and looking to make some side income from poker about 100$ a week if possible.

I would REALLLLLLLLLLY appreciate it if someone took the time to help me, Thanks fellow 2p2'ers!!

-JAMIE











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01-18-2009 , 09:58 PM
You should be trying to steal the blinds a little more. Look for spots where you have two tight players to your left (or at the least, a reasonable player in the SB and a tight one in the BB since people will defend SD much less often) and don't be afraid to lean on them a ton.

Fold to 3bets much, much more often. Never ever call with small pairs or suited connectors. Try not to get involved against decent players with marginal hands like ATs-AQo, KQs and with any kind of read I'd pretty much stay away from calling with 99-TT unless it's one of these idiots who when you open to 75c, they make it like 2.25 to go.

It's a pretty small sample size, though. Don't go around saying to yourself that you want to win x amount per week. It's fine to set yourself goals but being results orientated to that extent is going to mega tilt you in the weeks where you get your ass handed to you. And they will come.
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01-18-2009 , 10:40 PM
Thanks a lot for your input josh..

I'll try to incorporate what you said into my game and i definitley agree what you have said after thinking about it... stop calling 3 bets so light and steal more from the btn/co.. thanks!!
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01-18-2009 , 10:45 PM
Hi,

Here are my stats for NL10.
Any help would be appreciated...





Sorry to re-post...
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01-18-2009 , 10:45 PM
Those stats aren't mine, a friend asked me to post these. I already said that first of all, whatever he does, he should keep doing it. I said that technically his VPIP/PFR should be closer together, he should open up his game a good bit, he can be more aggressive and his ATS is way too low. Any more input or confirmation of my advice?





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01-18-2009 , 10:58 PM
LordDante:

You seem to play a solid tight aggressive game. You could try to play a little looser and more passively

By looser I mean you can play more hands preflop from all positions except from the blinds. Also start 3betting light, especially if someone is opening a wide range. If they never fold don't 3bet light but 3bet a wider range for value.

Postflop you're cbetting a lot, ~80% is massively exploitable. If it works for you, great, but understand if someone starts playing back often the only profitable adjustment is going to be to tone it down. Very low WTSD and somewhat high W$SD suggests that you're often folding the best hand. Since you bet/fold so much these can be costly mistakes in medium sized pots.

Playing the bet/fold game is easy because you get feedback on your opponents hand strength but often just reading hands well is more profitable.
So my advice would be to rely on hand reading more (think about how well your opponents range connects with the board, is the turn/river card good for his range) and only use aggression where appropriate (trying to get value, trying to fold out better hands, sometimes protecting against draws or disguising your hand, etc.)

Don't be afraid to just call down if you feel you're likely to have the best hand, your opponent if often betting worse and you're unlikely to get payed if you raise. I'm thinking about situations like raising cbets with TP kinds of hands IP.
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01-19-2009 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SquirrelsUnite
LordDante:

You seem to play a solid tight aggressive game. You could try to play a little looser and more passively

By looser I mean you can play more hands preflop from all positions except from the blinds. Also start 3betting light, especially if someone is opening a wide range. If they never fold don't 3bet light but 3bet a wider range for value.

Postflop you're cbetting a lot, ~80% is massively exploitable. If it works for you, great, but understand if someone starts playing back often the only profitable adjustment is going to be to tone it down. Very low WTSD and somewhat high W$SD suggests that you're often folding the best hand. Since you bet/fold so much these can be costly mistakes in medium sized pots.

Playing the bet/fold game is easy because you get feedback on your opponents hand strength but often just reading hands well is more profitable.
So my advice would be to rely on hand reading more (think about how well your opponents range connects with the board, is the turn/river card good for his range) and only use aggression where appropriate (trying to get value, trying to fold out better hands, sometimes protecting against draws or disguising your hand, etc.)

Don't be afraid to just call down if you feel you're likely to have the best hand, your opponent if often betting worse and you're unlikely to get payed if you raise. I'm thinking about situations like raising cbets with TP kinds of hands IP.
Thank you Squirrelsunite, i will take into account every single point.
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01-19-2009 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SquirrelsUnite
LordDante:

You seem to play a solid tight aggressive game. You could try to play a little looser and more passively
how can you say that man? for god sake, the guy is playing 19/10 !!!

dante, you should play something like 19/16 or 20/17 so raise more hands especially from the sb.
you limp to much from sb and check behind from bb w/ only sb in the hand, so : please raise more in blindvsblind situations!
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01-19-2009 , 08:09 PM
Hi i apoligise for my stupidity, but how do i get my graphs from my poker tracker to a post on here? I click on to insert image but it asks for a url but it is on my hard drive? Any help please. And sorry again i know im probably just being stupid.
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01-20-2009 , 12:25 AM
Could someone please provide an example or two of what kind of situation is ideal for double barreling? My turn aggression factor is horrendous and I just realized I barely ever double barrel it. I C-Bet on the flop fairly well imo taking into account board texture, number of opponents and so on but if called I simply give up. The size that the bet on the turn has to be has kept me from doing it and has incorrectly led me to believe that double barrelling is an -EV play since. I keep thinking to myself that I am playing against calling stations who will not give up their hand anyway. So... examples anyone?? It would help my game tremendously, thanks.
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01-20-2009 , 12:37 AM
I'm up another $600 or so in 8kish hands in my PT3 database with similar stats. I'm obviously happy with my results, bit I'm just a tad worried about running at 22/17 vs. 22/20 or 20/18. I want to be reviewing my game in good times as well as bad...

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01-20-2009 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SlamminP
Could someone please provide an example or two of what kind of situation is ideal for double barreling? My turn aggression factor is horrendous and I just realized I barely ever double barrel it. I C-Bet on the flop fairly well imo taking into account board texture, number of opponents and so on but if called I simply give up. The size that the bet on the turn has to be has kept me from doing it and has incorrectly led me to believe that double barrelling is an -EV play since. I keep thinking to myself that I am playing against calling stations who will not give up their hand anyway. So... examples anyone?? It would help my game tremendously, thanks.
Here's a few examples, not picked for any particular reason, just a few that I quickly found. Basically when it's hard for villain to be strong, keep applying pressure. Hand #1 his hand really looks like J10 or the like, probably not a K. Hand #2 looks a bit thin, but I think I had a read that villain would peel flop with A high and the like, in which case he's often not strong, and the 2-barrel is good.

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 12401
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SB: $73.20
Hero (BB): $53.75
UTG: $50.00
CO: $44.45
BTN: $22.35

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 7 8
3 folds, SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3.00) 9 K T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.10, SB calls $2.10

Turn: ($7.20) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.10, SB calls $5.10

River: ($17.40) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12.50, SB folds


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SB: $46.50
BB: $54.10
UTG: $42.45
MP: $75.40
CO: $39.45
Hero (BTN): $51.40

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 9 T
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, 2 folds, CO calls $2

Flop: ($5.75) 5 4 6 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $3.60, CO calls $3.60

Turn: ($12.95) 6 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $9, CO folds
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01-20-2009 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Schmitty 87
Here's a few examples, not picked for any particular reason, just a few that I quickly found. Basically when it's hard for villain to be strong, keep applying pressure. Hand #1 his hand really looks like J10 or the like, probably not a K. Hand #2 looks a bit thin, but I think I had a read that villain would peel flop with A high and the like, in which case he's often not strong, and the 2-barrel is good.

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 12401
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SB: $73.20
Hero (BB): $53.75
UTG: $50.00
CO: $44.45
BTN: $22.35

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 7 8
3 folds, SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3.00) 9 K T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.10, SB calls $2.10

Turn: ($7.20) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.10, SB calls $5.10

River: ($17.40) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12.50, SB folds


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SB: $46.50
BB: $54.10
UTG: $42.45
MP: $75.40
CO: $39.45
Hero (BTN): $51.40

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 9 T
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, 2 folds, CO calls $2

Flop: ($5.75) 5 4 6 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $3.60, CO calls $3.60

Turn: ($12.95) 6 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $9, CO folds
I like the last hand. Double barreling when you can put your opponent on a draw really makes sense. Seems he was on a straight draw (if not the A high like you said). I gotta start finding these spots, thanks.

Edit: Although I can't help thinking he has limped in with an overpair and won't fold to a double barrel...
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01-20-2009 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SlamminP
I like the last hand. Double barreling when you can put your opponent on a draw really makes sense. Seems he was on a straight draw (if not the A high like you said). I gotta start finding these spots, thanks.

Edit: Although I can't help thinking he has limped in with an overpair and won't fold to a double barrel...
Here's another... just looking through my database it doesn't look like I do it very often either lol... maybe not the thing that's gonna blow up your winrate... perhaps look for places to squeeze out more value?

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 12417
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MP: $57.80
Hero (CO): $50.00
BTN: $4.15
SB: $51.25
BB: $50.00
UTG: $51.30

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 3 A
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, 3 folds, MP calls $2

Flop: ($5.75) 6 2 4 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $3.70, MP calls $3.70

Turn: ($13.15) J (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $10, MP folds
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