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11-19-2010 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by *Split*
there is a good chance that you are blowing people off of second best hands (either bet sizing, pot size creation goals, etc.). def explains the red/blue line differential...


I know I have some other leaks, but around January (when I move up to $25NL) i'll apply for a coaching session with you and mpethybridge to fix things like not folding to steals enough.

Anyhow, looking at some old posts about turn & river aggression (and yours saying its not a great set of stats) i'm not going hog wild, although I am on the higher end of aggression. Most of the players I was comparing my self to did play $400-1000NL, so, perhaps i'm comparing apples to oranges since i'm playing 10NL & people are playing a more fit or fold type of game?

As far as bet sizing goes I RARELY ever bet more than pot. Usually its between half pot and 3/4s depending on how draw heavy it is or the calling tendencies of my opponent.

Pot size creation is probably a weak area for me because I'm not really sure how to check into it.

Edit: Wow, I've look at this before and I didn't notice that I was double barreling almost 100% of the time and 3barreling like 80%.

Last edited by Renseru; 11-19-2010 at 10:51 PM.
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11-20-2010 , 08:25 AM
Hi guys,

This post went to the 6-max NLHE before, by mistake, so I'm reproducing it exactly as I wrote it there.

I'm not a cash player (actually, I'm not a holdem player either...)but I wanted to do an experiment as my tournament results became a little fuzzy lately. Anyway, I wanted to do 10k hands at micro stakes and see how it goes. Surprisingly, I'm ahead after almost 12k hands:




What worries me the most though is my positional play, and even though I made some other important mistakes, I think I'm definitely doing something wrong on my button play:




I did these hands multiplaying 16 tables at a time, and I was not quite used to this sort of playing before (at most I multitabled 8 tourneys at once, and I cannot play more than that as I'm not capable of coping with the different structures, but for 2NL I'm OK with 16). So this lead to some mistakes, notably calling with kings on a dry board when I KNEW my nit opponent must have hit a set...I guess I still need to learn one or two things about multitabling before I can even consider myself a decent player.

I don't know if the winnings graph helps you analyze my play, but it certainly shows that I was a bit lucky as my real winnings are way greater than the EV correlated ones:



So I would REALLY appreciate it if someone with more experience than myself could take a look and give me some hints on what I may do to improve my game, or if someone can tell me if I'm doing something wrong.

And, the most important question: what would be a statistical significant sample size to conclude that one is a winning player and that he can beat the respective limit? I doubt 10k is sufficient enough (I was down after a third of that, I can easily see how this could have been the case for 10k hands). Would 50k do? 100k? More than that ?

Thanks a lot guys!
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11-20-2010 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil Mcavity
Never been a winning NLH cash player but decided to make an effort to get better. I play full ring 10nl ave 12 tables (mostly20bb/50bb)
Any advice/criticism welcome i really want to plug the leaks im sure i have many

I pointed out a leak right there... Reduce the number of tables until you can beat the game. Another thing that you could try is to stop cold-calling so much.

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11-20-2010 , 01:04 PM
Been having a lot of hands recently with QQ vs AK and a lot of KK vs AA hands that I'm losing out to. I'm pretty sure it's just a bad run but can;t be 100% certain.
How do these stats look? I'm about 20/11 over 10k hands and had really hoped I'd be +10 bb/100 by that time. I was +40bb at the 0.1/0.25 level at one point!



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11-20-2010 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bentley
Been having a lot of hands recently with QQ vs AK and a lot of KK vs AA hands that I'm losing out to. I'm pretty sure it's just a bad run but can;t be 100% certain.
How do these stats look? I'm about 20/11 over 10k hands and had really hoped I'd be +10 bb/100 by that time. I was +40bb at the 0.1/0.25 level at one point!



I'm no pro, but it looks like your limping too much. You should basically be raising every hand you play. "22/18" is the sort of ratio that most people would tell you shoot for.
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11-21-2010 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Renseru
I'm no pro, but it looks like your limping too much. You should basically be raising every hand you play. "22/18" is the sort of ratio that most people would tell you shoot for.
That's fair enough but the downswing?!
Perhaps I am flat calling a few too many suited connectors but still...
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11-21-2010 , 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by *Split*
you would greatly benefit from playing tighter and more ABC. your skill set is nowhere near high enough to play this style on 24 tables. sorry if that is offensive, I'm just being blunt
tyvm!
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11-21-2010 , 06:23 AM
Your W$SD is very low. It looks like you're paying off too much when you're beat. For many opponents at Rush, postflop ranges are rather tight.

Edit: Referring to Bentley
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11-21-2010 , 03:29 PM

Wow. help pls
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11-21-2010 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by urgkorv

Wow. help pls
3b = low
Callv3b = probably too high for you
FlopCB = too low for your current games
TurnCB = veeeeeery large disparity between your flop and turn CB

almost all of those are red line things...
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11-21-2010 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by *Split*
3b = low
Callv3b = probably too high for you
FlopCB = too low for your current games
TurnCB = veeeeeery large disparity between your flop and turn CB

almost all of those are red line things...
Yeah guess i should read some cotw and maybe get coaching from u
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11-21-2010 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by urgkorv
Yeah guess i should read some cotw and maybe get coaching from u
i support both =P
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11-21-2010 , 06:04 PM
So what's a reasonable gap for flop/turn cbets? Mine are 75/32, so I guess I should cbet less/barrel more.

Also, I found this interesting...

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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Do the legwork in poker tracker, analyze your hand histories, and post specific hands that might be symptomatic of your leaks. If you read this, there should not be any reason for you to post a stat check-up; you should have more specific questions that are better addressed as hand history posts.
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11-21-2010 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cangurino
So what's a reasonable gap for flop/turn cbets? Mine are 75/32, so I guess I should cbet less/barrel more.
i honestly don't know exactly what Mpethy look for in those two stats, but what I've always thought is that a 20pt gap is pretty solid, bigger than 30 is usually too much.

Mpethy can correct this if he sees fit though =)
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11-21-2010 , 06:51 PM
A big gap doesn't automatically = a really bad thing.
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11-21-2010 , 10:49 PM
Does someone see something wrong here?
I know I was running pretty well (16bb/100), now i'm at 4.5bb/100...Any obvious leaks?




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11-22-2010 , 12:23 AM
Thinking more about it, the "gap" between flop and turn cbet is rather meaningless. Since turn cbet % measures the ratio of cbets to cbet opportunities it is possible for it to be higher than the flop cbet %. So this statistic in itself shows often we barrel.
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11-22-2010 , 05:50 AM
OK, recently moved to 5NL after playing about 100K hands at 2NL (with a 2.94 BB/100 win rate). I have played 19k hands at 5NL and I am up and down and all over the place. I gained about $40 a day or so ago and lost it all today. It's back and forth so far.

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I know 19k is a smallish sample, but anything obvious here anyone sees?
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11-22-2010 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Renseru
I'm no pro, but it looks like your limping too much. You should basically be raising every hand you play. "22/18" is the sort of ratio that most people would tell you shoot for.
Any ideas what I can specifically track for the leaks?
I suspect it's paying off hands like medium pair, tpwk, etc.
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11-22-2010 , 11:29 PM
sigh what does this mean:

Tournament Hands Played - BB Won

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11-23-2010 , 05:06 AM
Guys , i'm on trouble ... plz help me, i cannot solve the problem by myself.
I play on FT , 9max rush poker NL50 , but 1bb/100 its not so sexy ...what i'm mistaken about my game ?






thx

Last edited by plzDntCryRebuy; 11-23-2010 at 05:13 AM.
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11-23-2010 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by plzDntCryRebuy
Guys , i'm on trouble ... plz help me, i cannot solve the problem by myself.
I play on FT , 9max rush poker NL50 , but 1bb/100 its not so sexy ...what i'm mistaken about my game ?

...
thx
check out your 3betting and see how it is performing. then see how it is performing when you take out AA/KK...

check out your postflop lines, especially river calls.

see if you are betting too many turns with your strong hands that are really SDV instead of value.
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11-23-2010 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by *Split*
check out your 3betting and see how it is performing. then see how it is performing when you take out AA/KK...
Filtered in HM : 3betted pot is more profittable to me , green line is very good. U think i'm 3betting to much at NL50 ?

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Originally Posted by *Split*
check out your postflop lines, especially river calls.
I'm not able to look at this stats. whereis ?

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Originally Posted by *Split*
see if you are betting too many turns with your strong hands that are really SDV instead of value.
have to filter cbet turn whith strong hand ?

ty to much man, appreciate.
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11-23-2010 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Bentley
Any ideas what I can specifically track for the leaks?
I suspect it's paying off hands like medium pair, tpwk, etc.
I would need more information to be honest. Probably the best information I could use are your showdown and non-show down winnings. In the OP mpethybridge says
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Tags who border on loose aggressive play generally win less than 50% of their showdowns. This reflects the fact that they are pushing very hard, often all in, with good draws or marginal hands, relying on their opponents’ willingness to fold as much as the quality of their hands to win pots.
I noticed you have an aggression factor/frequency is near the high end so perhaps this is causing your downswing?

Are you positionally aware?

I don't play rush poker so I don't know if 3bets are common place, but what sorts of hands are you continuing with there?

I ask those questions because you might be playing a dominated hand like KQ out of position in a 3bet pot. That sort of play will give you -bb/100 quickly.

If you think that your problems lie in show down, filter down to only hands where you went to show down and won/lost more than 10bbs and review them. Also, You might try tightening up pf with to like a 15/12 type of game if your somewhat newer to the scene.
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11-23-2010 , 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Cangurino
I pointed out a leak right there... Reduce the number of tables until you can beat the game. Another thing that you could try is to stop cold-calling so much.
Ty after checking many people stats i see my cold calling is way out of control, and it leads me to believe i dont know what cold calling means. I thought when u flat someones raise in pos with lets say a small pp thats a cold call is that wrong? If im right then do i just fold the pp or QJ sooted and play even nittier than i do now? (im playing 14/9.4/3.75 45k sample)

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ty hopefully ill get it right from now on
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