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08-26-2010 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TeeJayOrTJ
I am not a favorite. I wanted to get odds
I think he means your 300 to his 465.
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08-26-2010 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary_Neville
I think he means your 300 to his 465.
Yea I kinda thought he did. I will book my 300 to your 465. Quote if you want to
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08-26-2010 , 10:47 PM
Hey all,

Cowpig and i are done with about 1.9k hands. I'm up like 800 and he's down like 1150. One of our tables just reached 300bb each and I told him I wanted to chop it to a new 100bb table, which I have the right to do. He's now calling me out for angling bla bla bla. I told him that if the 2+2 community deems that angling then I'll happily give him his 300bb table back and start exactly where we just left off. I don't see anything wrong with asking to chop when you have a lead. It's part of the strategy of winning a 3k hand match. Thoughts mers and everyone?
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08-26-2010 , 10:48 PM
Lordrush2 is a little bitch.

He just went on a massive heater and then decided for the first time in the match that we should chop a table. We haven't done that once so far and have had several massive pots (I never said anything when I was up). I say it's bull**** and he quits the session.

Also he refuses to **** 4-table goddddddd fml

I am very tilted atm.

Lordrush +892 overall now
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08-26-2010 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TeeJayOrTJ
Yea I kinda thought he did. I will book my 300 to your 465. Quote if you want to
lol sorry thats what i meant. booked
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08-26-2010 , 10:53 PM
I don't think its against the rules but its definitely kinda ****ty to break tables when you're ahead for the sole reason of "its part of the strategy of winning blah blah".

If at the start of the match you said "i really don't like playing 300+bb deep so I'd like to break anytime we reach those stacks" it'd be fine.

...imo
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08-26-2010 , 10:53 PM
i mean i can understand its kinda lame if you guys were 200bb+ effective at some point and didnt chop but its not like you ever agreed to NOT chop. lordrush did fine imo
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08-26-2010 , 11:16 PM
I think its part of the rules.... so its whatever.
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08-26-2010 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasterbator
I don't think its against the rules but its definitely kinda ****ty to break tables when you're ahead for the sole reason of "its part of the strategy of winning blah blah".

If at the start of the match you said "i really don't like playing 300+bb deep so I'd like to break anytime we reach those stacks" it'd be fine.

...imo
I want to articulate that I didn't want to split the table bc I don't like playing deep. I solely wanted to split to protect my lead.

Nonetheless, I'd argue that it's not my responsibility before the match, but his rather, to talk to me about agreeing not to chop either way. As the match occured w/o any prior discussion, I think splitting is fine. I like money and equity and intend to fully protect my share of it as long as my actions are clearly within the rules.
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08-26-2010 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by LordRush
I want to articulate that I didn't want to split the table bc I don't like playing deep.
I think you mean to say "I wanted to split the table not because I don't like playing deep" cuz I wasn't sure what you meant in your original phrasing.
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08-26-2010 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by LordRush
I want to articulate that I didn't want to split the table bc I don't like playing deep. I solely wanted to split to protect my lead.

Nonetheless, I'd argue that it's not my responsibility before the match, but his rather, to talk to me about agreeing not to chop either way. As the match occured w/o any prior discussion, I think splitting is fine. I like money and equity and intend to fully protect my share of it as long as my actions are clearly within the rules.
i agree

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Originally Posted by Gary_Neville
I think you mean to say "I wanted to split the table not because I don't like playing deep" cuz I wasn't sure what you meant in your original phrasing.
no, not what he means
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08-26-2010 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by LordRush
I want to articulate that I didn't want to split the table bc I don't like playing deep. I solely wanted to split to protect my lead.

Nonetheless, I'd argue that it's not my responsibility before the match, but his rather, to talk to me about agreeing not to chop either way. As the match occured w/o any prior discussion, I think splitting is fine. I like money and equity and intend to fully protect my share of it as long as my actions are clearly within the rules.
i prefer this position, even if it's the less sexy one (speaking as a poster, obv as a TD it's not an issue, except to learn to next time make sure everyone is on the same page about expectations). We even talked a bit about splitting stacks and agreed it was within the rules with one person allowed to unilaterally decide to split. I don't see much of a reason why LordRush should be socially obligated to give away equity for something like this.
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08-27-2010 , 12:46 AM
god, the poker world has turned into a bunch of bumhunting ******s

nobody has a sense of competition and sportsmanship any more?
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08-27-2010 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by cowpig
god, the poker world has turned into a bunch of bumhunting ******s

nobody has a sense of competition and sportsmanship any more?
oh please, nobody playing in this competition is bumhunting or being a nit.
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08-27-2010 , 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by mersenneary
oh please, nobody playing in this competition is bumhunting or being a nit.
you're not playing in the competition

Last edited by cowpig; 08-27-2010 at 01:09 AM. Reason: and your point is irrelevant anyway
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08-27-2010 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cowpig
you're not playing in the competition
So feel free to tee off on me

I dunno, I just don't think it's all unsportsmanlike or against the spirit of the competetion when it was written the rules of the competition that it was fine.

If he starts 3betting a little tighter because of a lead, is that against the spirit of competition/super lame?
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08-27-2010 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by cowpig
god, the poker world has turned into a bunch of bumhunting ******s

nobody has a sense of competition and sportsmanship any more?
lol is this real

I don't think people would have joined these competitions if they were bumhunters or if they didn't have a sense of competiton... but good points
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08-27-2010 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by mersenneary
So feel free to tee off on me

I dunno, I just don't think it's all unsportsmanlike or against the spirit of the competetion when it was written the rules of the competition that it was fine.

If he starts 3betting a little tighter because of a lead, is that against the spirit of competition/super lame?
You can do something that's technically within the rules that's still unsportsmanlike. Obviously there are shades of grey.

He wants to chop a table despite the fact that he knows if I were in his shoes I wouldn't do it. And he is doing it specifically to try to gain an edge in the competition. That is pretty cut-and-dry unsportsmanlike behavior.

Obviously tightening up your 3betting range is part of the game. Any adjustment in poker has consequences. Chopping a table, on the other hand, does not.

I am also of the opinion that folding your way into victory is pretty lame and that quitting early is against the spirit of the competition, because I think the point of this competition is to be able to play a bunch of hands vs other good players, learn from it, have fun, etc.

Obviously if you want to be leatherass and 'treat your poker as a business,' doing whatever gets you the most edge possible is logical and correct. But it also makes you a douchebag imo.
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08-27-2010 , 01:27 AM
i understand what you're saying but you are definitely overreacting.
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08-27-2010 , 01:37 AM
Well he decided he should chop the table right after winning 10 buyins in 300 hands or something, which made it particularly obnoxious, on top of acting v indignant in chat.

But yeah, I guess I have a lot of pent up anger & frustration towards ppls' money comes first attitudes in the heads-up community.
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08-27-2010 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by cowpig
You can do something that's technically within the rules that's still unsportsmanlike. Obviously there are shades of grey.

He wants to chop a table despite the fact that he knows if I were in his shoes I wouldn't do it. And he is doing it specifically to try to gain an edge in the competition. That is pretty cut-and-dry unsportsmanlike behavior.
If I had a lead, I wouldn't start 3betting a tight range in order to increase my chance of winning, I'd play my normal game, because it's against the spirit of competition to play to the hand limit. Therefore, you can't tighten up your 3bet range either if you get a lead, because you're getting an edge in the competition that way. Pretty cut-and-dry unsportsmanlike behavior.
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08-27-2010 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by cowpig
Well he decided he should chop the table right after winning 10 buyins in 300 hands or something, which made it particularly obnoxious, on top of acting v indignant in chat.
for sure annoying.
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08-27-2010 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by mersenneary
If I had a lead, I wouldn't start 3betting a tight range in order to increase my chance of winning, I'd play my normal game, because it's against the spirit of competition to play to the hand limit. Therefore, you can't tighten up your 3bet range either if you get a lead, because you're getting an edge in the competition that way. Pretty cut-and-dry unsportsmanlike behavior.
As I said there are shades of grey. I'd say that maintaining a hyperaggro game when up and with only a few hundred hands are left is pretty manly, but that's about it. It's probably kind of reckless. I don't really agree w/your argument here.
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08-27-2010 , 05:54 AM
Are you ok with folding to a vicory cowpig? I don't see the difference between that and what lordofrush is doing. Of course when u have an ok lead with 1k hands left it is WAY in your favor to not play 300BB deep, and the right to slpit anytime over 200bb each is clearly stated in the rules, I'm missing wtf your problem is. Just because your frustrated doesn't mean everyone who doesn't do exacly what you would do is unsportsmanlike or a POS bumhunter!
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08-27-2010 , 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Pasterbator
i understand what you're saying but you are definitely overreacting.
+1...lol @ playing hyperaggro when coming down to the wire to be manly.

I guess it is also pretty gay when basketball players pass the ball around with 30 seconds left instead of firing up threes.
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