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08-17-2010 , 08:31 PM

#451

NLSoldier

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Originally Posted by mersenneary

My interpretation of the rules is that if TJ insisted, you would have to finish the 3k hands (though this is somewhat ambiguous), but that you are under no obligation to complete the 3k hands if TJ is fine with a forfeit.

wow sick i was under the impression that ppl were going to get to tap out. i like the rule that both have to agree on a forfeit.

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08-17-2010 , 08:39 PM

#452

mersenneary

Food = Love

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Originally Posted by NLSoldier

wow sick i was under the impression that ppl were going to get to tap out. i like the rule that both have to agree on a forfeit.

It's not a final ruling, we can discuss it more, as it is ambiguous. My understanding is that in challenges like this having to complete the amount of hands is part of the challenge and part of the EV people expect when entering it.

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08-17-2010 , 08:50 PM

#453

CubKiller

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Players should be allowed to quit whenever.

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08-17-2010 , 08:51 PM

#454

NLSoldier

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cubkiller and I are starting back up in like 15 min!

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08-17-2010 , 08:55 PM

#455

TeeJayOrTJ

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Originally Posted by CubKiller

Players should be allowed to quit whenever.

Its basically impossible to enforce also. Besides forum ridicule

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08-17-2010 , 08:56 PM

#456

Gary_Neville

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Gogogog Bareware!

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08-17-2010 , 08:56 PM

#457

RyanJM

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nm I fail at reading comprehension

Last edited by RyanJM; 08-17-2010 at 09:00 PM. Reason: nm

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08-17-2010 , 08:57 PM

#458

mersenneary

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Originally Posted by TeeJayOrTJ

Its basically impossible to enforce also. Besides forum ridicule

This is true, I certainly wouldn't be assessing penalties or anything like that.

There shouldn't be too many situations where people will want to quit, especially after the first round.

We'll cross that bridge when we get there, I would now think since it's unclear it's not explicitly prohibited.

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08-17-2010 , 09:10 PM

#459

Barewire

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2k hands in the books, i'm up $110 after rake so smth like $200 separates me and zachvac. we're either gonna finish up tomorrow at 7et or friday at 7et but either way im pumped

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08-17-2010 , 09:17 PM

#460

ICMoney

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It's a challenge not a legal agreement. I think players should be allowed to bow out if they are getting slaughtered.

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08-17-2010 , 09:21 PM

#461

zachvac

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Originally Posted by rumnchess

There's no room to come back with the strategy he was employing. As I already stated, he can quite literally fold every hand and still win the match. If I thought I had any reasonable chance (greater than say 1 in 500) of coming back, I wouldn't have quit

Wouldn't just stealing his blinds be more +ev then?

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Originally Posted by mersenneary

Barewire flipping well.

He's also extremely well at repping exactly one hand and having it (plz show me what you had the last hand today after we play the rest of our match), I feel like I'm back at full ring again.

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Originally Posted by Barewire

2k hands in the books, i'm up $110 after rake so smth like $200 separates me and zachvac. we're either gonna finish up tomorrow at 7et or friday at 7et but either way im pumped

Yeah this including pumped part. Think it's like effective I'm down $225.

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08-17-2010 , 09:23 PM

#462

zachvac

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And yeah don't see what the issue would be with people giving up? Like obviously it'd be more +ev for them to just steal blinds if the other guy is nitting it up but if they want to give up the point of the matches is to see who wins not lock someone into having to play x hands against another player.

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08-17-2010 , 09:25 PM

#463

mersenneary

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Sounds like people's understandings were that giving up is fine, so giving up is fine given the ambiguity.

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08-17-2010 , 09:45 PM

#464

Syous

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Originally Posted by ICMoney

It's a challenge not a legal agreement. I think players should be allowed to bow out if they are getting slaughtered.

Since no one wants to let this go

8 buy ins in 2300 hands is not slaughter.

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08-17-2010 , 09:45 PM

#465

Pasterbator

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First off, I'm very much regretting skipping this. That said:

Ideas for the next one:

Slightly bigger buyin: I'm thinking $750-1k. 1k might make some people who are on the fence less likely to buyin so I'd lean towards 750.

More hands: Maybe the first round can stay at 3k hands, but how about 2nd and 3rd rounds are 4k hands and final is 5k? Is this too much commitment?

I had something else and I forgot it. Anyone who is actually playing have thoughts on this?

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08-17-2010 , 09:46 PM

#466

rumnchess

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Yeah I like 5k hands better too

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08-17-2010 , 09:48 PM

#467

Syous

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Originally Posted by mersenneary

Sounds like people's understandings were that giving up is fine, so giving up is fine given the ambiguity.

mersenneary are you black? And does your name rhyme with OMAMA?!

Conceding is fine. But really, even if it looks impossible, fight the good fight. This may be a tournament but it's a learning experience that can be applied to other HU situations. This was a perfect opportunity for a great comeback.

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08-17-2010 , 09:48 PM

#468

Pasterbator

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Originally Posted by Syous

Since no one wants to let this go

8 buy ins in 2300 hands is not slaughter.

yea when rum and i played 100nl I ran up 9.5 buyins in 750 hands. He won back 7 in the next 450 hands...

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08-17-2010 , 09:49 PM

#469

Syous

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Originally Posted by Pasterbator

I was actually thinking 1-2k hands to increase the luck fest as well as increase the size of our pool. If others didn't join because they felt they didn't have enough of an edge to compete, lowering the hands will accomplish this as well as increase the size of the pool.

Bigger prize money, better format than other HU tourneys, and more participants to play against, I like.

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08-17-2010 , 09:54 PM

#470

Barewire

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i dunno if you guys are watching but nlsoldier and cubkiller might as well be hurling stacks of money at each other i'm very entertained

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08-17-2010 , 09:57 PM

#471

Gary_Neville

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I suggest a 24man/36man tourny if we get more interest. Maybe start off with round robin to thin the field. Also upping the buy-in to $700 sounds good for a start.

Yeah, increasing the amount of hands in the later stages sound good too.

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08-17-2010 , 09:59 PM

#472

Syous

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Originally Posted by Gary_Neville

I think it should be the same all the way through and if we're going to change the format, then change it for the finals

Simple is best. We want to eliminate as much confusion as possible.

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08-17-2010 , 09:59 PM

#473

CubKiller

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lol tilt. down 1507 in 1009 hands.

Getting owned so hard.

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08-17-2010 , 10:02 PM

#474

NLSoldier

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Originally Posted by Barewire

i dunno if you guys are watching but nlsoldier and cubkiller might as well be hurling stacks of money at each other i'm very entertained

I'm up like 1300 after about 1k hands so far.

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08-17-2010 , 10:02 PM

#475

RyanJM

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Originally Posted by Barewire

i dunno if you guys are watching but nlsoldier and cubkiller might as well be hurling stacks of money at each other i'm very entertained

Haha, yeah, I was watching. Cub kept trying to run bluffs that just kept running into the nuts. Neither one had a problem putting their stack in the middle though, definitely entertaining.

One hand in particular was a level-fest that I have no idea what was going on:

Board was like 8T8hh Kx turn Xx riv and Soldier bet on riv, got raised, then shoved w/K9hh and got a call by something worse. Would love to know what the thought process was on that hand. I thought soldier turned his busted flush draw and top pair into a bluff w/the re-raise but it ended up being for value. Weird.

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