Let's say the prize pool was 20k for 1st instead of 4k. Would you give up?

There's no room to come back with the strategy he was employing. As I already stated, he can quite literally fold every hand and still win the match. If I thought I had any reasonable chance (greater than say 1 in 500) of coming back, I wouldn't have quit

EXACTLY.COWARD.

i mean sure its possible and especially under normal circumstances, but it seems really easy for the guy who's up 8 buyins to just make sure he doesn't lose 8 buyins over 700 hands. i guess i could just be out of touch with cash samples ands tuff though

you realize that if TJ would just fold every single hand he would still win? so if first place was 20k he would be even more inclined to make a comeback impossible.

don't know why we should start and evaluate hypothetical scenarios now though...

Syous, I don't blame you for being a tilted sidebettor, betting on other people can suck for people with certain mindsets (I am one of those), so I think people will acknowledge that while you're wrong, w/e, it ain't no thang.

As for your last post, of course he doesn't give up if it's -EV to give up. His point was that it was +EV for him to give up given how much he would have to spew to try to get back into the game. I think you've alluded to knowing this dynamic but just being frustrated by it, so again, w/e.

Seems like a pretty good idea to get some of your money back at the least...

I mean, then rnc would def continue for all the free blinds But yeah not the point.

mersenneary for world peace

w/e for mod

it's his money though and if he loses by 1000 or by 1800 doesn't influence the outcome of your sidebet so it's not really your business.

I will nitpick (not against you rnc but against everyone else who doesn't see my point)

"it seems" that Teejay will win no matter what, sure, fine.

If he folds 100% - we win what? $600 back?

If he's playing super nitty and only playing back with the nuts we do what....?

you're missing the point, YOUCANTUNDERSTANDWHATIMWRITING

You guys are coming from the perspective that it's minus ev and while it looks like it, have some heart, learn to fight back, why would you give up? There is no such thing as an unexploitable strategy so while teejay may try it, you can still exploit him so many other ways.

Try um....being like the water? adapt

I'm not bothered by rnc losing anymore (sorry that may have been a bit harsh) but I'm disappointed in all of you who would so easily give up to a "seemingly unexploitable strategy" without even having the heart to try

Pretty much this.

If rnc is trying to win, it means he will have to spew a ton, get it in in -EV spots with draws against really strong ranges, etc. I think if rnc actually employs his strategy that has the best chance of winning for the rest of the hands, this strategy will be -EV in terms of dollars in-game from that point on. That's the problem.

Wouldn't then just playing the match to win some money be worth it? Also, I was not being that much tighter then normal. I was calling 28% out of BB and 3betting 9% over the last 350 hands. I was folding to 75% of 3bets tho. But I constantly had 86o. I was also still raising 75% of buttons.

The big irony here is that I've always been someone who's been willing to play anyone, I've put in huge sessions against ppl I'm -EV against (think back to a 4 tabling session vs Eskaborr where I lost 8 or 9 buy ins at 5/10 and was barely rolled for 3/6)...I've basically never bumhunted and I've taken plenty of -EV matches in order to improve or get better...me quitting here was based on TJs suggestion and out of an understanding that we were playing in an extremely boring and unprofitable dynamic where TJ was nitting it up and I had to force the action in order to comeback.

Let's assume hypothetically TJ has a bigger edge playing his normal game (but it's higher variance). I'd way prefer to play 800 more hands of that then to play 800 hands in an artificial climate where he's going through the motions to lock up a bet that I have no statistical chance of winning unless he makes a tactical error. I repeat I'd never forfeit if I thought I had any realistic chance of coming back, nor would I have thought of it unless TJ had suggested it.

I don't really appreciate the inference that as someone who was initially gun-ho about this competition, my quitting was somehow going against the spirit of the games. Unfortunately the way this event is structured, with the monster lead TJ had, his best tactic was to essentially "lock up a win" and mine was to spew and get lucky. One could even argue that playing it out in this fashion is in a sense going against the initial spirit of the competition.

If TJ (and mers) agrees, I'll play the remaining hands out. While I've already explained why I wasn't going to, it doesn't matter that much to me, I like playing HU cash, and it seems to matter a lot more to you.

Continuing in the match with the strategy to win some money back but not attempt to win the 3k hands is likely +EV for rnc, but does not affect Syous' equity.

nobody said this.

all i stated was that Rnc's decision basically didn't affect your equity in the bet at all and if he sacrifices some EV because it's not a fun match for him anymore then it is his own business and not yours. it might be not the most competitive and highest EV choice but it's def not shady or unethical and that's what you tried to make it look in the first place. I disagreed and pointing that out was my only interest in this discussion.

But it looks you are the one actually not getting the point. I'm out of this discussion now anyway. gnite

My interpretation of the rules is that if TJ insisted, you would have to finish the 3k hands (though this is somewhat ambiguous), but that you are under no obligation to complete the 3k hands if TJ is fine with a forfeit.

TJ and I playing 6 tables of 100nl deep for ****z and giggles

Edit: as we speak

I feel like this is just to tilt syous

Just asked if he wanted to play the remaining 800 hands ; he didn't but he said he'd play for fun. I'm bored and on a train, so we're playing

Barewire flipping well.