Very useful, thanks mate! It's so simple and easy when you think about it yet you have no idea how much money these guys have taken from me. It's really ridiculous. Now I just need to get the hang of beating guys who donk bet into you 40% (which I think isn't TOO MUCH as that is really just when they hit a piece of the flop, plus a bit more I guess) and those who for some reason donk bet like 60%+. Really hard to deal with when you lose the betting lead and really bad when you miss the flop.

Can:

1. Open a tighter range pf
2. Call flop and raise turn
3. Call down and see what they are doing
4. Fold and take it like a man
5. You can also raise his donk once with a really strong hand and then show him - and then raise him on the flop a lot as a bluff.

we 4 the suspension

I'm CantBustThis. First off, sorry about going over the limit, I'll be more careful in the future. I actually wasn't aware of the 4 table per stakes rule, which is surprising considering I've been following this issue. Normally I was keeping it to 4 tables and I probably was over it because I sat with a player who left. I don't understand why they don't make their software enforce this 4 table rule. I wish they would enforce 1 empty per stake and have a table cap.

donky1, I'm not sure if I had observer chat disabled, but in the future, please let me know in the table chat. I often go over the limit for brief periods because I sit at 4 empties (2 deep, 2 100bb) while I try to find a regular to play me. If they sit out/ leave/ get booted, I don't always notice. I think a polite chat warning should be your first step AND would give more credibility to your "abuser alerts" if they refuse or get nasty (unprovoked) in chat.

This is a very class response. Whether donky1 actually heeds the advice and lets the players know they are at too many or continues his usual practice...I want to say again, thanks for doing it donky1.

This isn't directly at you Nostra, but it's kinda hard to buy the "an opponent left so I only had 5 tables briefly" excuse when all of your tables are exactly full-stacked.

I really don't get why you guys all complain about the sitting at a lot of tables stuff. It doesn't really ****ing matter. I've never been a culprit of doing this but I don't get why you all complain about it so much to the point that the websites have to implement these suspensions/rules. Why don't you guys just learn other games? You're all so incredibly lazy it's not even funny. Omgomgomg i can't sit at 3 tables and wait for ppl to play me heads up all day how will i ever make monies?! It's a complete joke how ridiculously whiny you guys all are. Trust me, the people who are sitting at 10 tables and "bumhunting" and whatever else suck at poker anyway. They're not making much money, and it's their right to be able to decide who they play and how many tables they sit at.

It's so funny to me how you guys sit in the forums all day and complain while you wait for action instead of learning how to play six max, plo, hu sngs, or any of the million other game types that are incredibly easy to learn and win at after you play a lot of hu nl poker. I just don't understand the bitch mentality instead of the active approach of learning and expanding yourselves to become a more profitable poker player.

/rant. whatever. go on complaining about regs who quit you after 4 hands where they win 6 big blinds and whatever else now.

He was waiting at 4 and someone hit and ran at a 5th?

sick misclick:

Full Tilt Poker Game #11998279801: Table Colyer (heads up, deep) - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:41:19 ET - 2009/05/03
Seat 1: Coragyps111 ($7,242.75)
Seat 2: Mister Lucky777 ($2,228.75)
Coragyps111 posts the small blind of $10
Mister Lucky777 posts the big blind of $20
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Coragyps111 [Qc 2s]
Coragyps111 raises to $6,180
Mister Lucky777 calls $2,208.75, and is all in
Coragyps111 shows [Qc 2s]
Mister Lucky777 shows [Ts Td]
Uncalled bet of $3,951.25 returned to Coragyps111
*** FLOP *** [Kd 2c Tc]
*** TURN *** [Kd 2c Tc] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [Kd 2c Tc Jd] [Ah]
Coragyps111 shows a straight, Ace high
Mister Lucky777 shows three of a kind, Tens
Coragyps111 wins the pot ($4,457) with a straight, Ace high
Mister Lucky777 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4,457.50 | Rake $0.50
Board: [Kd 2c Tc Jd Ah]
Seat 1: Coragyps111 (small blind) showed [Qc 2s] and won ($4,457) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 2: Mister Lucky777 (big blind) showed [Ts Td] and lost with three of a kind, Tens


funny board lol

You may be underestimating how often a flop raise and then second barrel (if appropriate) will work on these guys. I mean yeah they seem like they will just NEVER fold (like the guys you were talking about in your other post who never fold to cbets), but they will, they have to, they just cannot have a hand often enough to call down.

I played one guy last year for like 3 hours who donk bet maybe 90% of flops or something and I just murdered him. A couple of times he ended up hitting a gutshot on the turn and winning a pot or whatever, but not enough. It's an annoying style to play when you're not used to it, but it's pretty exploitable.

Brag: Tomorrow will be my first day at 400nl
Beat: Couldn't quite sustain 10pttbb/100 at 200nl
Variance: I haven't actually beaten for 400nl yet

What is a good winrate at HU? in terms of PTbb

10ptbb/100 is excellent, but probably only possible to sustain at 3/6nl or less.

1). Yeh, I am fine playing against the min bet donkers. I now just call their min bet on the flop a lot and if they do it again on the turn I raise it up and they fold. However, it's the breed of donkers who bet small on the flop and pot the turn, or who bet 2/3rds or pot on flop and then pot the turn that give me trouble. Pretty soon it costs you a LOT to make these bluff raises and I just never feel comfortable doing it.

2). I've also never understood what the min bet flop, min bet turn, pot river line means from the donkers? Any ideas? I'm never sure if they've actually hit a monster, or if they wait to see if you 'just call' the second min bet donk on the turn and they think "he didn't raise, he's soooo weak, let me bet pot to scare him".

3). At what stack size should I be 3betting to 'pot' i.e. $4.5 instead of 10 big blinds ($5)? I usually end up reducing the 3bet size once they go below $45 (at 50NL) is this correct? Also, at what stack size do you stop 3betting in general? $20?

CantBustThis -

I appreciate your coy response. I don't usually chat while I'm logged in. However, may I suggest that you sit 3 empties while looking for a regular to play you?

This would eliminate the problem. As for needing credibility to my "abuser alerts" posts: I'm not sure I need credibility. The pictures really do speak for themselves. People that are seen over and over at 6,7,8 tables are abusers. Pretty simple. The 5's are questionable, but the rule is indeed 4. However, many of the people that have been outed have obviously been warned by FTP and believe it or not - they are acutally just sitting four tables now.

So, I do appreciate you post. If I see you again, I'll contact you at the table. Just please be more careful. It's hard b/c a lot of "regulars" are using the "i was just at five tables for a minute" excuse.

Thanks and godbless,
donky1

wreed platzak

The inability of you HU players to take the little time needed to transition to 6max is so laughable as you all so pathetically and desperately try and monitor how many tables people sit at. As said before, it barely matters how many tables people sit at. You elevate this as the big problem and if that was solved the games would be good again, but you are wasting your time. In denial about moving to 6m and so you blame false problems for the reasons hu games suck now. People here really need to take some econ theory.

Even though sometimes you have to wait for up to 20 minutes to get a game at 1/2NL, the players are so incredibly bad that it is still far more profitable than grinding 6max for a quality HU player (in my opinion).

I would hardly say the HU games suck. Maybe it's because of poker table ratings and regs no longer sitting with me, but almost everyone I play is absolutely atrocious.

Maybe you were right for once.

lol

For the love of God, learn how to take screenshots. Vista/W7 even has a "snipping tool."

What kind of monitor has 4800x1200 btw?

Or it that a bunch of monitors put together??

You could prob 50 table on something that big.

3 20" monitors I would assume

1600x1200

lol at "transition to 6max"

pretty sure most HU regs were 6m regs b4 they played HU

true, but after 1year playing 100% of hu, do you think your 6max make will be a good game? i think not.

btw i usually play very spew at 6max...