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01-18-2015 , 09:02 PM
Oh...but talking about movies that got robbed...Chef is better than everything but maybe Budapest Hotel and Selma. Just terrific, best movie of the year IMO.
01-18-2015 , 09:40 PM
Chef is terrific, but it felt to me like it was missing a climax.

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A conventional narrative typically has a black moment leading into the climax. The black moment can only be resolved by the character finally facing his/her flaw. In Chef, I expected this to be when he's offered the chance to partner on the restaurant. I thought oh, ****, he's going to take the offer to reclaim his career and now won't be able to spend time with his son. He hasn't yet learned the lesson of family and all that jazz. But then the next scene showed them working together in the restaurant, no black moment, no climax. Roll credits.
01-19-2015 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Falc
Ruben Östlund, director of Turist (aka Force Majeure), watches the Oscar nominations live. Skip to 4.30 if you're impatient.

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
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Originally Posted by Dominic
man, he took it hard. don't undress??
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Oscars confirmed meaningless
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Originally Posted by microbet
For a guy critical of the hair style award he sure spends a lot of time playing with his hair.
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Jesus
One of my pet peeves is people blindly believing that fake videos on the internet are real. Skipped the first 4:30, seemed like it could have been real until the "don't undress" part, the acting wasn't awful.

I looked into it and the video is of course "fake", and he's apparently imitating a character in the movie who has a nervous breakdown or something along those lines, including the "undress" part. Form of viral marketing.
01-19-2015 , 01:53 AM
But I was talking about the french in Keed's movie.
01-19-2015 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem
What % of American sniper do you guys think is accurate?

http://mpmacting.com/blog/2014/7/19/...-of-chris-kyle
Interesting...if this was a completely fictional portrayal of a war film,would it have as much impact as it has so far?

Cause to me,the jury is still out on Kyle's credibility.

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01-19-2015 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by BustoRhymes
Chef is terrific, but it felt to me like it was missing a climax.

Spoiler:
A conventional narrative typically has a black moment leading into the climax. The black moment can only be resolved by the character finally facing his/her flaw. In Chef, I expected this to be when he's offered the chance to partner on the restaurant. I thought oh, ****, he's going to take the offer to reclaim his career and now won't be able to spend time with his son. He hasn't yet learned the lesson of family and all that jazz. But then the next scene showed them working together in the restaurant, no black moment, no climax. Roll credits.
Spoiler:
the black moment was him telling his kid everything would go back to normal. The resolution was his call asking him to help on the truck.
01-19-2015 , 09:49 AM
Clovase,

I don't think we're talking about the same thing. The moment you described happens quite early in the movie. It is a turning point, not the black moment. The black moment is what necessitates a sacrifice for the hero to save the day at the end of the film.

The standard structure includes a midpoint false victory, which is what causes the black moment leading into the climax. Chef seemed to me to be following the inverted structure, with a midpoint false defeat, and the black moment is a true victory, but it's only then that the character realizes getting what they want will cost them everything they now value. See Mean Girls for an example.

Chef doesn't sacrifice anything at the end. He learns his lesson early early early in the film. The rest is him on one long ride to a better life with no mistakes or lessons left to be learned. That's fine. I enjoyed the movie and would watch it again. Just explaining why the ending lacked punch for me. There was no climax.

/narrative structure nit
01-19-2015 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BustoRhymes
Clovase,

I don't think we're talking about the same thing. The moment you described happens quite early in the movie. It is a turning point, not the black moment. The black moment is what necessitates a sacrifice for the hero to save the day at the end of the film.

The standard structure includes a midpoint false victory, which is what causes the black moment leading into the climax. Chef seemed to me to be following the inverted structure, with a midpoint false defeat, and the black moment is a true victory, but it's only then that the character realizes getting what they want will cost them everything they now value. See Mean Girls for an example.

Chef doesn't sacrifice anything at the end. He learns his lesson early early early in the film. The rest is him on one long ride to a better life with no mistakes or lessons left to be learned. That's fine. I enjoyed the movie and would watch it again. Just explaining why the ending lacked punch for me. There was no climax.

/narrative structure nit
Spoiler:
The moment I am talking about is the third last scene on top of the truck watching the band. This is the black moment. The resolution is after he watches the one second video and calls his son. What he learns is his child is more important than his career.
01-19-2015 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Spoiler:
The moment I am talking about is the third last scene on top of the truck watching the band. This is the black moment. The resolution is after he watches the one second video and calls his son. What he learns is his child is more important than his career.
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What did he sacrifice to save their relationship? What does he do to show he has learned his child is more important than his career?
01-19-2015 , 10:33 AM
The Five Armies Hobbit Not much to add to what has already been said here.

I just wonder if I would have enjoyed it more if I had never seen LOTR though.
01-19-2015 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Barcalounger
Yesterday was a trippy kind of day.

Coherence - 8/10

Who knew that "dinner party while something crazy goes on to the world outside" was a genre?

I'd call this low-fi sci-fi, where it has all the plotting of science fiction but none of the reliance on special effects. It's a dinner party among friends during a comet fly over when suddenly **** starts to go down. It's like "It's a Disaster" mixed with "Primer" mixed with your stoned buddy trying to mis-explain Schroedinger's cat. And somehow it works.

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I saw Coherence this past weekend and it was great. Will check out Primer. Surprised Coherence hasn't caught on with more people ITT or on 2p2. It seems like the kind of movie that would generate a fanbase on here.
01-19-2015 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Baltimore Jones
One of my pet peeves is people blindly believing that fake videos on the internet are real. Skipped the first 4:30, seemed like it could have been real until the "don't undress" part, the acting wasn't awful.

I looked into it and the video is of course "fake", and he's apparently imitating a character in the movie who has a nervous breakdown or something along those lines, including the "undress" part. Form of viral marketing.
hahahahaha...that's awesome
01-19-2015 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Eeyorefora
Interesting...if this was a completely fictional portrayal of a war film,would it have as much impact as it has so far?

Cause to me,the jury is still out on Kyle's credibility.

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Caring about 'accuracy' in a movie is a huge leak.
01-19-2015 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
Caring about 'accuracy' in a movie is a huge leak.
as is believing in the accuracy of a movie (which I'd imagine much of the $90m opening weekend gross supporters do)
01-19-2015 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Baltimore Jones
One of my pet peeves is people blindly believing that fake videos on the internet are real. Skipped the first 4:30, seemed like it could have been real until the "don't undress" part, the acting wasn't awful.

I looked into it and the video is of course "fake", and he's apparently imitating a character in the movie who has a nervous breakdown or something along those lines, including the "undress" part. Form of viral marketing.
Yes, if you've seen any of his movies (I recommend De Ofrivilliga, aka Involuntary. It's in the same vein as the clip.) it's apparent that it's a gag. However, it's still really funny. And SenorKeeed even watched his movie after seeing it, so obviously it worked. Don't be such a Debbie Downer.
01-19-2015 , 06:04 PM
Saw Birdman finally. Really really enjoyed it although I can understand why some people would think it was too wanky overall.

Edward Norton is just great in it, as is Michael Keaton. However the whole cinematography aspect that others mentions (the single tracking shot), really worked for me. It really made me feel the grittiness of the backstage area, the stress and tension of preparing for a broadway play and just gave the whole thing a certain noir-ish urban atmosphere (along with those drums) that really suited the tale they were telling. It gave me serious Grim Fandango vibes (the computer game!). As for the in Keaton's head scenes, I took those as an absurdist conscience of a guy having a mental breakdown. The whole film is kinda absurd and would not have been that interesting as a normal piece as someone ITT suggested. I think it required the whole package to really work. Don't take the actual plot too seriously imo and enjoy it as a quirky, absurd, stream-of-consciousness look into the mind and day to day stress of someone in the acting business.

Also having now seen the main contenders, can someone please give the Oscar to The Grand Budapest Hotel. Best film of 2014 for me.
01-19-2015 , 06:25 PM
I haven't seen it yet but, like Babe Ruth before me, I'm calling it now; Fifty Shades of Grey is the worst film of 2015.
01-19-2015 , 06:40 PM
There was the discussion before where it was shown that there were good movies with "America(n)" in the title.

Has there ever been a good movie with "teen" in the title?

(not that kind of movie)
01-19-2015 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
There was the discussion before where it was shown that there were good movies with "America(n)" in the title.

Has there ever been a good movie with "teen" in the title?

(not that kind of movie)
Nineteen Eighty Four
01-19-2015 , 06:44 PM
actress- pretty good documentary but I went in with high hopes that weren't really met. basically chronicles about a year in the life of brandy burre who you probably know as political operative chick ****ing mcnulty in the wire and her decision to try to get back into acting after a few years as stay-at-home mom
01-19-2015 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
There was the discussion before where it was shown that there were good movies with "America(n)" in the title.

Has there ever been a good movie with "teen" in the title?

(not that kind of movie)
Sixteen Candles is alright
01-19-2015 , 06:47 PM
Teen wolf
01-19-2015 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Teen wolf
I wasn't really thinking of the number movies, eg 1984, but that was a good one. I'm sure there are many more like that. Teen Wolf is the only one that I thought of for a second and rejected as not good. I didn't see it though. At 17 I at least thought I was too old for it.
01-19-2015 , 07:02 PM
Horny Teen Sluts was pretty good, but I made that one and I might be a little biased.
01-19-2015 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Horny Teen Sluts was pretty good, but I made that one and I might be a little biased.
It's my go to for Charades

      
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