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08-04-2011 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
WTF it's not a state secret and you're not bound by confidentiality, just spit it out for ****'s sake, dude wants your advice.
I PM'd him fwiw.
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08-04-2011 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by diskoteque
probably non-legal work
Ok, how would you characterize my summer experience on the resume? I essentially did a ton of traveling and played a lot of poker. Poker appears nowhere on my resume although I have been a professional for over 8 years. I don't have any resume gaps as I have always been in school/grad school of some sort and have done well. I have saved quite a bit of money and would love to do public interest work of some sort upon graduation.
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08-04-2011 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jph0424
Ok, how would you characterize my summer experience on the resume? I essentially did a ton of traveling and played a lot of poker. Poker appears nowhere on my resume although I have been a professional for over 8 years. I don't have any resume gaps as I have always been in school/grad school of some sort and have done well. I have saved quite a bit of money and would love to do public interest work of some sort upon graduation.
i'm not sure what you're looking for me to say. obviously, not having any legal experience on your resume is going to be an enormous obstacle in finding post-grad legal employment. people with your credentials (top 20% top 50-60 school) AND 2L summer legal experience are having a tough time securing permanent employment so i can't imagine it's going to be a walk in the park for someone who has big black hole on the resume.

i don't know much about public interest employment. i think you'll probably have to work for free because ANY legal job that pays is pretty competitive these days.
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08-04-2011 , 11:39 PM
Noah, wtf your questions suck! How did you get a job?

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Maybe asking someone to compare themselves to other specific firms in the city for how they'd differentiate their firm.
Don't mention other specific firms. Makes you seem like you're less interested in the firm you're interviewing with and you want them to match themselves to a firm you are interested in.

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if they cap the hours that count towards bonuses.
"I don't like non-billable stuff. What's the min I can do to get a bonus?"

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Ask if you need to specialize right away or if you start out as generic Business/Litigation.
Makes you seem like one of the many "I have no idea what I want to do." Although this is a perfectly reasonable spot to be in after only 1 year of law school, it makes you much less attractive as a candidate. You want to be able to act like you have some direction. Even if you're straddling corporate/lit, have some specific ideas of what you would want to practice within those areas. Anyway, you should be able to get the answer to your question by researching on your own or asking cleverly disguised questions. "How did you end up specializing in drunk sporting events incidents?" Etc.

Other advice was ej approved.
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08-05-2011 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jph0424
Ok, how would you characterize my summer experience on the resume? I essentially did a ton of traveling and played a lot of poker. Poker appears nowhere on my resume although I have been a professional for over 8 years. I don't have any resume gaps as I have always been in school/grad school of some sort and have done well. I have saved quite a bit of money and would love to do public interest work of some sort upon graduation.
Do you have any reserach projects that you can pencil in for that time?
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08-05-2011 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by eviljeff
Noah, wtf your questions suck! How did you get a job?



Don't mention other specific firms. Makes you seem like you're less interested in the firm you're interviewing with and you want them to match themselves to a firm you are interested in.



"I don't like non-billable stuff. What's the min I can do to get a bonus?"



Makes you seem like one of the many "I have no idea what I want to do." Although this is a perfectly reasonable spot to be in after only 1 year of law school, it makes you much less attractive as a candidate. You want to be able to act like you have some direction. Even if you're straddling corporate/lit, have some specific ideas of what you would want to practice within those areas. Anyway, you should be able to get the answer to your question by researching on your own or asking cleverly disguised questions. "How did you end up specializing in drunk sporting events incidents?" Etc.

Other advice was ej approved.
explain ur avatar plz
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08-05-2011 , 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
Do you have any reserach projects that you can pencil in for that time?
Yes, I should have accepted a GRA position for the summer I was offered by one of my profs but I didn't think I would be able to devote enough time to it. I have been working on getting a paper published so I suppose I should at least mention that.

Last edited by jph0424; 08-05-2011 at 08:14 AM. Reason: I am off to take the MPRE, yay!
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08-05-2011 , 12:40 PM
eviljeff,

I guess its a good thing that all they asked about was my sleep research then!
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08-05-2011 , 04:40 PM
I have the following law school books in pdf format if anyone needs one for the Fall semester. Just PM me:

- Analytical Methods for Lawyers (Jackson)
- Antitrust Law in Perspective (Gavil 2nd)
- Securities Regulation (Choi 2nd)
- Civil Procedure (Rowe 2nd)
- Constitutional Law (Stone 5th) (Note: Worst textbook I've ever had at any level)
- Contracts (Ayres 7th)
- Corporations (M. Diamond 2nd)
- Fund of Income Tax (Freeland 15th)
- Fund of Corp Income Tax (Lind 7th)
- Property (Merrill)
- Torts (Dobbs 5th)
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08-05-2011 , 05:20 PM
Do you have any Intellectual Property books?
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08-06-2011 , 09:53 AM
Nope, stayed as far away from IP as I could.
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08-06-2011 , 10:18 AM
apparently
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08-06-2011 , 03:06 PM
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apparently
Evidently.
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08-06-2011 , 07:54 PM
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Do you have any Intelligent Property books?
FYP. PDF books would be great, but of those listed I'm only in Con Law and we are using a different book, which is a good thing I guess from what you had to say about it.
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08-06-2011 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jph0424
Ok, how would you characterize my summer experience on the resume? I essentially did a ton of traveling and played a lot of poker. Poker appears nowhere on my resume although I have been a professional for over 8 years. I don't have any resume gaps as I have always been in school/grad school of some sort and have done well. I have saved quite a bit of money and would love to do public interest work of some sort upon graduation.
Go find a local solo RIGHT NOW. Tell him you want to do free work for him for the rest of the summer. 2 weeks 4 weeks hell 1 week it doesn't matter. Show him your resume. Put this work on your resume as "Summer 2011." It will possibly save your career and no one will ever know the wiser. Nor are you being dishonest.
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08-07-2011 , 08:25 PM
Thanks for the advice Karak. Talked to a solo I know today and he said he had plenty of work I could help out with for the next few weeks.
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08-08-2011 , 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Karak
Go find a local solo RIGHT NOW. Tell him you want to do free work for him for the rest of the summer. 2 weeks 4 weeks hell 1 week it doesn't matter. Show him your resume. Put this work on your resume as "Summer 2011." It will possibly save your career and no one will ever know the wiser. Nor are you being dishonest.
lol this is great advice and shows how dumb the whole charade is
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08-09-2011 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
Go find a local solo RIGHT NOW. Tell him you want to do free work for him for the rest of the summer. 2 weeks 4 weeks hell 1 week it doesn't matter. Show him your resume. Put this work on your resume as "Summer 2011." It will possibly save your career and no one will ever know the wiser. Nor are you being dishonest.
I agree with this advice. However, what's the course of action if the future employer calls the reference and finds out you only volunteered for 2 weeks?
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08-10-2011 , 12:05 AM
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I agree with this advice. However, what's the course of action if the future employer calls the reference and finds out you only volunteered for 2 weeks?
"Yes, after week 3 I would like to be paid."
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08-10-2011 , 06:04 AM
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I agree with this advice. However, what's the course of action if the future employer calls the reference and finds out you only volunteered for 2 weeks?
You're giving the reference free help. You'd hope he'd help you in return.
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08-10-2011 , 09:34 AM
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You're giving the reference free help. You'd hope he'd help you in return.
Seriously. I worked one day a week at my summer internship (sometimes more when we leading up to, and had a trial). My resume indicates Summer 2011 and the solo I worked for was greatful, telling me that anything i need I can have (reference etc). So if someone asks how long/much did this person work with you, he isn't going to say one day a week. And seriously, if you put down Summer 2011 on your resume, no one is going to ask "how long of the summer did so and so work?" They're going to ask substantive questions about your work quality/ethic.
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08-10-2011 , 10:16 AM
not to mention most summer programs are bull**** anyways where you do the amount of work a normal lawyer would do in 1 day every 2 weeks or so
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08-10-2011 , 01:33 PM
I'm in the computer lab printing out a writing sample to take to a 3L OCI interview. Some 2Ls are sitting behind me, one of whom is complaining that he has to go through 6 interviews today. Really wish there was a grease fire in the lab for that guy to fall into.
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08-10-2011 , 08:51 PM
Has anyone heard of a lawyer possessing a realtors license? I'm a rising junior hoping on ultimately going into commercial real estate law (or something like that). However, I'm thinking of getting my realtors license soon for familial / personal use. Are there rules or any guidelines I should be aware of before I go through with this? Would a law school infer that I'm not fully committed to practising law if I possess such a license? thoughts?
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08-10-2011 , 09:17 PM
I'm sure it wouldn't matter, do whatever you want.

Also AFAIK the realtor's exam is like the worst part of 1L, it's all the property rules everyone hates. Except that 5% that love property. They're weird.
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