You know what bothers me about some of your reads monstr? They are really self-centered. Not the first time I read you say something along the lines of "XXX reads me well all the time when he's a villager and since he's not calling me a villager in this game he is being wolfy". I don't like that approach to WWing (other people do it too) but I can't say that's inherently wolfy either.

What happened? Why can't we go back here?

Also now that Cory and TTT are out of posts you'll have to deal with WALLS OF MONSTRMAN TEXT AS I GO BACK THROUGH THE GAME AND TRY TO GET A WOLF READ

I can't say I really care, nor can I say I'm going to change my style?

I feel like this is going to be another iteration of me peeking hoya if we continue down this path and I like you and would rather not fight about the way I approach ww.

I can't look at this list without getting a twinge of doubt about Cory and I really can't say why.

It might be partially because of the hoya middling lean, it might be because I don't agree with the nofear and mets reads. Whatever it is, I can't put my finger on it but it's bugging me.

I kind of feel like tappo is being slightly wolfy. I also cannot put my finger on the reason why

It's just a FEELING

I originally quoted this post thinking it was pretty villagery, and saying that I was agreeing with Carl potentially having TMI'd on me, but then I remembered that when Carl made that post I actually kind of think he meant it, and I also actually think that there WAS a bit of flip flopping (from my perspective, which also seemed to translate into carl's perspective) and now I have no idea.

I guess the caveat to this is that it's not a very hard thing to say "classic monstrman flip flop, he's a villager" as a wolf and I'm fairly certain I've seen the Spacks say that exact thing as a wolf before.

Forgot about the hoya n0 peek thing.

As I'm noting these things I should also say (as I said yesterday) that your tone overrides other preoccupations I may have about you and that I definitely will not vote you or push you today.

I would have peeked you, but I feel like generally I can read you decently well. I guess that remains to be seen as this game progresses.

Monstr, you just said that you agreed with WN that we should be lynching from Annie/nofear/Ronny/Cory. So is nofear a good lynch candidate to you or not?

Fair enough.

For what it's worth, I don't give much credence to my "self centered" reads, because I'm pretty aware that those kind of reads generally aren't amazingly fruitful. I use them more as... added evidence toward an already strong case, if that makes sense.

A few posts up I said I reaffirmed a nofear villager lean. I mean I don't know, generally when I'm a villager I get this thing where I make a read and then somehow I lose my grasp of that read/the entire game and everything goes pretty much nuclear at that point while I toss my votes around and flip flop on every player in the game until I finally feel comfortable with my reads/votes which on d1 is practically never.

It might be a leak in my game, but to be honest I feel like it's a necessary part of my process because once I DO become comfortable enough with my reads I generally have a pretty high success rate of voting a wolf on d1. Sometimes I don't recover from these relapses, whether it's because of my mood or lack of time, and when that happens I'm pretty much bound to lead a mislynch, but I feel like this game I've got a pretty good handle on myself and my mood so I think I'm pretty confident that I can make decent reads.

In retrospect, this kind of feels like a lazy way to say "I don't really know how to make a read right now, so I'll just say I can't"

which admittedly might not be inherently wolfy but I know I've seen more than a few wolves hide behind the "I'm not able to read players I have no meta with" card, and that card is pretty bullcrap anyway because it's possible to read new players regardless.

Admittedly, he doesn't say "I can't read these players" as much as he says "I can't tone read these players" but it almost feels like he's saying the same thing, and to be honest he doesn't really seem to try to read any of the other players though that may just be him not being here.

I'm interested to see his reaction when he comes in as top wagon.

There's an element of the ol' RANDOMNESS that makes this feel like just some turbo where some dudes are gonna flip whatever and then we're gonna like stare at their posts for a bit and be like "well that was a BAD POST when you said [the wrong thing about ~ non-poster's role and posts]" and others are gonna be like "that was a BAD POST when you [made the right read on virtually no information]," and then we're gonna jerk each other around while Cory screams at us for like 3 days, and maybe by Sunday we'll have some posts that actually matter, like at all.

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Ah, I see, it was in this post. could you expand on why you think he's a villager? (or did I miss that part too?)

I ask because nofear is one of the players who I feel like I could end up voting for no good reason. I don't remember almost any of his posts except for that progression Anarchist quoted last night. Probably I'll have to go read his posts again but I am being a little lazy right now and prefer to interact in the thread.

It's at this point I laugh heartily in the face of all who say I don't have as much interest in this game as usual

Lack of time to devote to ww =/= lack of interest in ww.

It was mostly a gut feeling combined with a light tone read and agreeing with a couple of his reads. If I'm clearing anyone too lightly, it's definitely Nofear, but the fact remains that I still feel the urge to clear him that lightly.

Would be a cool story if he flips wolf though.

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Votes	Lynch	Voters
4	Ronny Mahoni	El_Timon (77), JC Denton (124), CPHoya (109), DoUEvenLift? (125)
3	DoUEvenLift?	Anarchist (30), tappokone (54), metsandfinsfan (95)
3	Anarchist	monstrman (84), vyk07 (101), well named (90)
1	well named	Carl_Spackler (41)
1	vyk07	Ronny Mahoni (6)
1	Carl_Spackler	Nofear3838 (28)

Considering the tappo read, and the post I quoted which I THOUGHT carl was talking about, this makes less sense for him to have said as a villager.

This comes with the caveat that I still have no idea how to read Carl yet. I think I've correctly read him 1/3 times

Top 3 wagons can be wolves

I feel like ~every player in the game has said at some point "if there is a wolf in the ALLIANCE it's probably cory" which could mean something.

Unless Ronni is the seer that peeked vyk wolf ...........

I'm fairly certain at least one of them is.

There's a very real possibility that Ronny doesn't come back today, seeing as he's a Euro and it's somewhere between 11PM and 1AM over there.

And even though I generally don't like no-accountability lynches, having seen Ronny's track record in the database makes me think that lynching him today is not a bad thing at all. After all, there's like a 40% chance that he ends up subbing out.

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