Good to know. What failed?
They didnt have a BATM design game.
I will

Awesome. Do you think what Willi mentions could be possible if it was scheduled for sometime next year - that no other games were started that week (and as few games as possible running)? If we do that + heavily advertise it and create a buzz (I would be willing to try to bring back a lot of people to POG for turbo week) + have cool prizes, then I think it could become a hit.

edit: to be clear, I imagine we'd ofc find a week next year where no games are currently scheduled for

And I think we should try to have as many mods as possible with prepared themes (and designed rolesets for Mish-Mash turbos).

I'm loving this idea.

Hmm... What does everyone else think? Is this the best time to do it (or should it instead be like a random week in February or March or something)? It would mean we couldn't mess with the long game schedule of course, but maybe we wouldn't be allowed to do that anyway for next year.

There is currently a huge backlog for MM spots as it is, so removing one of them for a turbo week doesn't seem good to me.

It could be like a week when there's a small v+ and/or a vanilla running, games which are less intense anyways. Especially if they have earlier EOD times (like 7pm ET)

Remember that most turbos fire in the US evenings, which leaves plenty of time during working hours for people to play ww.

I modded a 21er turbo

never again.

And this brings me to:

How do we feel now about crossover games? We had the discussion 1½ years ago or something where it was shot down because we were uncomfortable with a huge influx of new players, but do we still feel this way? I've been hearing a lot of complaining from people about not being able to fill up huge Mish-Mashes, and I don't know, I'm enjoying the new players that we are getting. We could just make sure to 1) Not include the aidsy subforums and 2) Run the games in the different subforums - and then after that have newbie games in POG for the people who enjoyed playing the initial games in the different subforums. I think this would minimize the influx of the types of players that we don't want.

Yeah lets keep the general riffraff and commoners out.

When were crossover games ever shot down? I don't remember that

I brought it up in the pub like last year or the year before that or something.

To be fair, I suggested adding a sort of competition to it (MVP's from the initial games invited to an all-star game*), but that was just an additional suggestion (which I, upon reflection, admitted to be a horrible idea) - main thing was that I wanted crossover games :P

I can try finding it.

*So I'm doing it with the Champs games instead :P

When gambit, leo and couple of others came here from OOT.

oh yeah

yeah, that competition thing is the WOAT idea

but crossover games have always been fine and encouraged. just need people willing to mod and preferably someone in the 'target' forum to start a signup.

To be fair, I don't necessarily disagree with soah here with the underlined. I wouldn't want to do this for every subforum out there :P

But the argument that the games "are more than healthy" seems to not hold AS strong today as when I originally suggested this. Well, I mean, we're still doing perfectly fine and obviously loads better than before the 2009 crossover era, but it does seem that the majority of players and mods would like it if the player pool increased? No?

Good notes from Chips Ahoy:

TimeLady, you were indeed in favor of it:

Expert counter-argument to not including BBV from Chips

Ok, I'm just gonna stop quoting here. We've reached an agreement :P

We will do crossover games, but we'll go about it delicately :P

Funny post:

A winner was never found.

Why world you remove a mm for turbo week

Internet poker clearly. Not even an argument really

I've always thought MTTc would work well for a crossover game, but I stopped posting there when I couldn't play poker anymore.

You/she wouldn't - and that wasn't my suggestion either, to be clear :P

Discussion on theme for crossover/newbie games

Should we keep it strictly werewolf? For example, OOTV might find a TV character theme or something funny, but I'm unsure if that's a good idea - I don't want to unnecessarily confuse new players.

i briefly flirted with the idea of trying to do an SMP vs RGT game but I'm guessing there aren't enough active posters from the two forums that would play

nope

note: atakdog's "Don't misunderestimate me" politics crossover game

new players aren't dumb, as long as you bold roles appropriately, it should be obvious

push comes to shove, bracket (evil) and (good)

I have been trying to explain this to some people elsewhere and while I kind of intuitively know, it's hard to put into words with a good example. someone help me out please.

it comes hand in hand with the majority lynch rule. if a villager votes a villager, the game is over.

1) in a live game, the wolves could pile on instantly and win, but due to the internetical nature of POG WW, people may not be around.

It seems unfair to deny the wolves a win because their schedules didn't match up (especially on this forum when we have many timezones represented)

2) There is also the smaller (imo) thing of having someone vote someone, and then insta unvote to 'catch out' wolves piling on, which spoils end game. I think this happens very rarely, but it's enough of a paranoid reason for people to want the No Unvoting rule

This is the biggest reason I can see.

the correct move is to get rid of majority lynch and just let the day play out like any other day