From the final hour of day one:

Ship gets his bus on.

Ufo still has Luckay as a villager, even after Luckay's return to the thread in anti-spew mode. Ufo's being very, very stubborn here, to put it generously.

Ufo quotes Ship's vote on Luckay and decides Ship is a wolf. Up to this point Ufo had been clearing Ship. Ship's post looks wolfy if you know that Luckay is a wolf, but, again, Ufo's not supposed to think that. Ufo voting Ship here just seems like an over-the-top, look-at-me-I'm-voting-for-a-wolf move.

Yeah. However, if the wolf team is Luckay/Ship/Ufo, at this point Ship and Ufo should be really concerned by the fact that they're going to look terrible from Luckay flipping. (I got leveled by Ship, but villages in general tend to interpret these things on level one.) There's a lot of pressure to bus - to at least try to create an end game wolf.

Ufo is not supposed to find Luckay wolfy, so now he needs to explain why Ship's vote looks wolfy to him even if Luckay is a villager. I don't think he gets there.

Ufo finds it wolfy that Ship is inserting himself into the proceedings; but Ufo also finds it wolfy that Ship is "basically coasting on a lynch". Those thoughts don't go together. Either Ship is getting unusually involved with the Luckay wagon or he's coasting, but he's not doing both.

The bit about Ship not needing to explain himself is nonsense. Ship did offer an explanation: he wanted to policy lynch Luckay for not trying hard enough. It wasn't a very good explanation, but that doesn't lessen Ship's agency for his vote.

hardcoreUFO

Giggity

Has anyone checked Mets for peeks?

Seer is already dead, and (arguably) peeked mets villager.

Anyway, I need to reread but won't have time fire that until tonight our maybe tomorrow.

Donuts

C'mon, you should have claimed seer and see if he bought it.

It's so nice to have a wolf flip that actually posted in the thread and got lynched without the was-he-peeked factor muddying up everything. I already did some rereading last evening, what with the thread being locked and all, and I think it should be possible to clear at least half the thread now. Which I'll attempt over the weekend.

somewhere on D1 SIU made a list that had tappokone and luckay as wolves. I find it unlikely that tappo is a wolf because of it.

felix nightposted 10 minutes after the mod called MAJ night. it's not very standard that he wasn't modkilled for it.

and yeah i'm the lynch this weekend. I have no way to get out of the hole I put myself into, with the whole 'I guess luckay is a wolf because everyone is screaming that he is but I just don't see it' lolargument and then flipping my read on SIU at EOD just to ignore him yesterday. it's really very unlucky of me. I had SIU and tappokone as the wolves though, but I don't think tappo is a wolf anymore because of SIU's spew and I have it POE'd down to a ****load of players anyway. I don't know where to start with this.

I think telcontar and globe can be the last wolf. LKJ could be a wolf but I had some sort of read that he wasn't w/w with SIU earlier and I forgot why, but I'll get back to it over the weekend.

FWIW is never the mislynched's player's fault that he was mislynched as long as he played the game. that is, before people start going 'if you're a villager here you're horrible bleblebli'. **** you, I'm not. at least I caught SIU, and I actually looked through jim's case against luckay, THAT EVERYONE ELSE DIDN'T, and caught up inconsistencies with it. jim just wanted to lynch his peeked wolf, right? so therefore he made forced reads. anyway... I know I played bad, but it's like... it's still everyone else's fault if I get mislynched, not mine. because I'm not supposed to be reading like a wolf here anyway because I'm not and it's quite obvious that I don't have a wolf agenda (not even a pro-wolf agenda, come on now, I was trying to wagon jim at EOD and that would never fly while everyone else was just sheeping. that's not even pro-wolf, that's just dorky. if I'm a wolf I work out mislynches, and I totally ****ing didn't).

yeah well just this, I'll keep trying to find the last wolf but obviously feeling a bit beatened down by being wrong about stuff when everyone else was spotting a ****load of things I wasn't. anyway

also in before this is wolfy emo trying to avoid getting lynched. I need to be mislynched eventually.

good luck!!!!!

pog

Good game mets.

ok sorry about not posting much, i woke up yeterday and thread was alreayd locked from majority

i will be around a lot saturday and sunday

once again sorry for my dismal performance so far, i promise to pick it up

Gg mets, pretty impressive catching two wolves in two days.

I won't be around much today either, I'd rather post when I'm at home in front of a computer. Luckily this is a very long day so I'll have time to do a thorough reread over the weekend.

This if the first post that stands out to me, and not just because he's clearing a wolf.

1 - He already left a peek of ship, so he didn't need to give specific raining when pressed, and as a villager he would maybe even prefer not to bc it would look more seery. As a wolf, though, he has incentive to convince others that ship is villa.

2 - This seems too certain for page 1. It was early in d1. How does he know that ship isn't going to "hardpost" and just hasn't had much chance bc it's so early?

As binkles said, Felix's logical progression after looking at these two games would be to call Jim a wolf because his posting more resembled his wolf game.

I don't see why he goes through the trouble as a wolf of he's just going to unvote Jim

I'll be putting in some proper work later, but my initial thoughts are that lynching Hardcore will bring teh sweep and, connected to that, we probably didn't have w/w wagons yesterday.

time for pop songs

Another player going out of his way to clear ship.

sooooo I can't really clear myself in any meaningful way, especially after my last couple of displays as a wolf. I'll do my best finding the last wolf for monday though.

just please don't MAJ me until I'm done with the research. that's what I'll focus on doing this weekend, so please let me stay alive for the weekend.

this looks like someone who's legit annoyed by getting an early vote.

felix noticing an earlier SIU's post is forced. in hindsight, it is.

true statement and I also noticed that at the time.

pointing out a mindmeld is something I do as a wolf to gain villa cred. I don't know about EL_Timon but just a heads up that 'I'm mindmelding with xxx' is a personal wolf tell. obviously not enough to to give him wolf points.

I find that to be somewhat freeflowy.

globetrotter is quite generally UTR so I'm not sure why he is giving an excuse to not post here. not saying the excuse isn't legit but it's expected of globe to be UTR for 'good portions' of the days quite often.

some wolf points here. need to check his meta if he has any.

(checking meta...)

I may or may not have found out something interesting. remember how globetrotter voted SIU quite early saying 'why are you such a wolf?'? WELL, it turns out that's something he actually does W/W early:

this is quoting a wolfbro very early d1 and that's his first lean in a 2010 game (yeah too bad it's '10 but his games are mostly old).

in this game that was his first post and it's against a villager :| fair to note his wolfbros haven't posted yet.

in the same game he does come back a day after to say he is sorry and stuff. he wasn't around at EOD in that game....

aaaaaaaaand his first d2 vote was on a wolf too.

not much to add here. globe played mostly mishmashes so evidence of his play in vanillas don't have a good samplesize.

he seems be to more inclined to vote wolves very early as a wolf though. but it might just mean he is a pretty good villager (his two games with me as a wolf he seemed to be wrong a lot though, but that doesn't mean much).

still a couple of wolf points for that...

now returning to the re-read.

this doesn't look bad, though. although it only doesn't look bad if globe doesn't have any wolfing depth like, not enough to do change his mind about fellow wolves early.

still that may be a good sign... also people were reading him wolfy at that point (jim, binkles) so for globe it was probably a better idea to just keep pressuring SIU.

now I'm awarding him villa points for that. heh.

oh this is good. if my personal view of 'I'm mindmelding with xxx' is correct then globe picked up the same thing I did on re-read regarding el timon. good for you.

globe is changing his mind regarding SIU now and I like his thought process. I had a similar one regarding the early SIU vote. this looks good for him for the whole 'you're wolfy' and then 'ok changed my mind you're villagery'. with wolfbros that's somewhat hard to do (like, changing your lean is very level 1 but explaining it in a way that makes a lot of sense isn't, at least from my experience).

I think I can somewhat clear globetrotter for that.

yay.

ok let me hit post so people can see what I'm doing and I'll continue doing the re-reading but will interact in real time with anyone that wants to .

This post sets off my wolfdar. We weren't even 300 posts in yet, so I don't find it genuine, and he implies that someone clearing him is a wolf, but he never pursues that line of thinking

Hardcore,

I posted ahead of time that I won't be around a lot for a few reasons.

1 - When I used to play more often, I was a high volume player, and a lot of people remember me that way and comment on how I am playing differently now.
2 - I was just mislynched day one in my last game in part because I want around much. One player commented that I disappeared after getting heat or getting questioned, but the truth is that I was gone before that happened and by the time I read that far, I was dead.

I basically already cleared you for other stuff if you read the entire MQ. the meta read went nowhere, also. just generally wolfy and kinda out of place, and yeah you've been mislynched and wagoned for similar stuff, so it should definitely make you compelled to explain yourself.

this response is both too long and ridiculously unnecessary. not sure why I didn't pick on that earlier. oh right, I sucked the entire game.

still this looks a bit like el_timon being over explainy on the first wolf game I saw from him (I think jim quoted that game, I read that d1 twice so I remember quite well).

#198 is also very forced. it's like picking on ridiculously small things to push a guy.

this looks like something that has been edited a lot. you know? it reads weird.

I remember talking to tappo after election and he said something to that extent... like 'yeah clearing me that game was hard because I was being generally wolfy' or something like that. I deleted the PM but I think this is the type of thought process he has about himself when he is villaging. like he might sometimes go 'yeah I'm being wolfy here', which is something I just very very recently developed (in this game, basically). I couldn't see his perspective on this as a villager but I see it now... been quite a while since the last time I got a lot of heat as a villager.

wow this post is hella wolfy from el_timon. again he is overly interacting with people. he agrees with Jim that the annie wagon was bad/he got mislynched a lot, but then he goes out of his way to make a wall of text on why the wagon is 'strange'. these comments are awfully unnecessary here. it's a forced interaction IMO.

ok this is good I guess? because SIU was a legit counterwagon already with binkles and jim agreeing he was wolfy (and I think mets was coming around to it).

I disagree with this read because globe is generally a weird player but I kinda like the thought process here.

this is very very meh. like the read itself is just something I find it pretty unlikely coming from telcontar in general. I his he has way more depth than that.

also the 'want a read? here is one' is kinda ridiculous. like this is just super weird AORN but not sure if wolfy. seems out of character from the villa telcontar I played a few weeks back, though.

so I disagreed that luckay should be lynched D1, but finding his villagery? that seems way over the top. why was luckay a villager in your book?

'jesus christ' is kinda wolfy and something I say when I have to clear a wolf heh. I relate to this post more as a wolf than as a villager in general.

oh this was the post I mentioned that I thought cleared tappo but in reality it kinda doesn't. I thought for some reason he made that list with tappo and luckay as the red ones.

ok so...

on page 4 I have El_Timon, telcontar and tappo as maybe wolves.

globe, annie, binkles as villagers. not quoting binkles' stuff cause he like never plays it like that as a wolf ever so it doesn't really matter.

can't get himself too clear and PWN the wolves and then never get NKed after that, right.

if I were a wolf mets would be the best villager ever for the absolute pwnage

sorry I'm not mate