Solid players will bluff this I thought

Not when he has no idea of my range for betting 2 streets on this texture imo. And if I were villain, I would assume I'm never bluffing here until I have seen otherwise.

His range shouldn't have hardly any hands without showdown value and you should generally be folding the worst part of your range when you're faced with a bet. And it's hard to imagine that the EV of turning a made hand into a bluff is better than just calling with it (and folding certain river cards) since your value range is minuscule and no one will fold good hands to you.

This doesnt seem good, no matter how you look at it. Opponents line is just too strange, and with no info I like to think that people are more likely to be trapping with something super strong.. Not that the play is good but it sets an image.

your button raise cbet flop turn range should be pretty huge here obviously

So, are you saying fold the turn systo? Fold the river? All options kinda suck really.

your hand is too good to fold imo

I think you are misreading the hand a great deal.

heh, yeah, now i'm much less sure

i'd probably make it bigger from the sb pre

gotta think about it, during the game i'd probably make a crying call and be sad when i'm beat

So I am confused if villain should be calling down with most of his made hands why he shouldn't be bluffing when he raises here?

Surely if he is raising here a certain % of the time it is likely a spot where his hand is polarized to bluffs/air. We are coming in at the bottom of our range, but given the flop texture I would think a competent villain peels this flop with a huge range.

Once you call the turn you are calling the river imo

A competent player shouldn't be calling preflop against a 4x isolation raise with a wide range of hands when he'll have the worst absolute and relative position postflop, and he shouldn't be floating a wide range out of position with a fish yet to act behind him.

And I didn't say that he should be calling down with most of his made hands. I just said that it would be better than raising with them. Raising and representing a super polarized range is great and everything but only when it's actually believable that you should have what you are representing. Hero has been the aggressor throughout the hand which means that he is the one with the polarized range (99+ and bluffs) and BB is the one with a range of primarily medium-strength hands. He can't have the second, third, fourth, or fifth nuts, and the nut nuts are hard to make on this board (but easier for Hero than for BB). The theoretically correct (unexploitable) play for Hero here is to never fold a good full house because it's overwhelmingly likely to be the best hand. The exploitative play is to fold good full houses against the right types of players because knowledgeable players who don't have a reputation for spewing will never bluff in a spot where the top end of their range is so weak relative to their opponents'.

his bb calling range is dependent a lot on the fishyness of the limper

bb can of course have the 2nd etc nuts

I think villain having a 10 or having nothing seems pretty believable to me.

I'm assuming the limper is pretty fishy.

Oh I just now realized Hero is SB and not Button. It should widen BB's range a little bit but it's still not a great spot to float a flop with air.

on reading i think the most likely hands you are beating are aj or other jacks that floated the flop bluffed the turn and are value shoving the river

if the limper is a big fish i would expect the bb to call fairly wide

Wet flop, fish behind, he has to be calling that wide

I actually don't think it would be that terrible for BB to flat KK or AA when he has position on me and to keep the fish in the pot. Maybe not optimal, but definitely plausible.

It would be so awesome to know if villain spews.

Yeah, tell me about it...

I am thinking his range is polarized from air/missed draw spew vs. AA KK and any 10

I don't ever think a good villain has a lower fh played like this

IMHO flatting KK and AA would be pretty bad. His relative pos sucks and he would end up in 3 way pot being 150bb deep with fish and 120bb deep vs you.

It's bad, but possible.