in terms of the information it shows, not in terms of what its actually saying about how rich people saying "I work hard for my money" is nonsense

Rich people overvalue the importance and difficulty of the work they do compared to poor people, hence the "I work hard" bs...implying that 'they' don't. That's my claim. Would be interesting to see if data supported it.

holy crap look at all the hours people work in the philipines

i didn't realize people work so much. man, i live in a bubble. people i know barely work, growing up in sf, and after moving to LA. people just don't work

i work about 20 hours a week myself. and by "work" i mean playing cards... which actually is really stressful and takes a lot out of me. they say it's the hardest way to make an easy living.

wow, i didn't know nixon ordered a price and wage freeze. that's crazy! why doesn't that happen more often?

i mean i know the answer... it's cuz rich people don't want it to happen. but it should happen. and it should be common knowledge that nixon did it, and that it's a realistic option.

rich people don't want people to know it happened and that it's a realistic possibility. so no one knows about it. i mean, it's not common knowledge. media never talks about it

slave masters didn't take all of their slaves productivity. they fed, housed, clothed their slaves... so the slave masters kept maybe 90% of the workers productivity.

modern day sweatshop owners keep maybe 30% of the worker's productivity, and then other parasites keep maybe another 30%

usa fast food owners keep maybe 30% of their worker's productivity?

gig ceos take 20% of it right off the app

capitalism won't last, can't last.

The main problem with slavery wasnt the fact that 90% of their productivity went elsehwere....id even argue that thst in of itself is never a problem.

It doesn't matter how much of your productivity you keep. It matters how much is taken by those undeserving

i def agree the main problem with slavery wasn't the wealth distribution. but it was one of the problems with it, and it's a problem that we still have with almost all modern day jobs

Yh but in ideal society it shouldnt measured on ppl keeping the product of their labour which is implication of what your saying myb?

Or i guess thats how i read it

And disagreed with it as an idea

agree with the bolded. i guess i just phrased my post badly lol

multiple russian gas pipelines are leaking right now

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...s-spew-methane

Glad we aren't in Europe. Will that place ever achieve peace?

but they do have healthcare, and their cops don't kill/beat you and lock you up

Neither do ours.

i think iceland had their first ever cop shooting recently in the entire history of their country

eu population 750 million

prison population 463k

usa population 330 million

prison population 2 million

We've discussed this before. Of those 2 million, how many don't deserve to be there? I would say close to zero.

I think prison sentences should be tougher. That three strikes laws should be strengthened not weakened.

i realize that's tiny in terms of %

but also you have to assume that only a small % of wrongful convictions are actually overturned. and that's not taking into account people who really did commit "crime", but shouldn't' be locked up, like selling weed, or 3 strikes laws for stealing food, political prisoners, kids, mentally incompetent, etc

also

also iirc our prison population has 5xed in the last 40 years. so a lot of those overturned convictions are from a long time ago when prison population was a lot smaller

so if we're wrongfully convicting at the same rate, it will be a lot more than 2k innocent people in prison. and again there are more innocent people than people who get their convictions overturned.

that's a million non violent offenders

Again, the people in prison by giant margins belong there.

im gonna make an assumption, that you have almost no first hand knowledge of people in prison

what are your sources for coming to the opinion that people who are in prison belong to be in prison?

i'll admit that i have very little first hand knowledge too....

my buddy has volunteered for years directing theater in san quentin. he loves the guys he works with. but i've never been there myself.

a writer i like, chris hedges, has volunteered for years teaching in prison, and i read about his experiences with the guys.

i grew up with a lot of ghetto kids, some of them ended up in prison, and they all know a lot of people who ended up in prison

one of the kids i grew up with was beaten to death by prison guards

Um, because every single one was either found guilty or pleaded guilty. And I believe in our justice system.

That doesn't mean it's perfect but what is?

i know im probably never gonna change your mind lol... but....

you know cops are fos, and also idiots, right? and they are the backbone of the justice system

also it should make you really suspicious of the justice system that private prisons are so profitable... AND that politicians get elected for being tough on crime, and that media misleads us with stories about crime.

like remember the guy on the bike robbing wallgreens in sf? he stole like 70 bucks worth of stuff. and it was a huge media storm with 100s of stories. during that same time wallgreens lost a court case because they stole wages from workers for millions of dollars, but it wasn't reported anywhere

and your opinion would be much more informed(and probably reversed) if you had personal relationships with people in prison.... or even if you just knew a lot of desperately poor people.


oh, another lolfailure of our justice system, is something like 5% of cases go to trial. people just plead guilty. if no one ever pleaded guilty the entire system would completely collapse because there aren't enough resources to try all the cases. i don't see how you can have faith in a justice system that literally can't try cases

i have jury duty next week lol... and if i get picked to serve, i will rule in favor of whoever is more poor, probably like 95% chance lol

and i will never believe what a cop says

but im about 0% chance to get picked to serve

I agree, you would make a terrible jurer... But if you get empaneled, watch the judge. I saw a really tough one that just took no excuses. So many people tried.

Nevertheless, a cool experience.

GL!