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01-14-2021 , 11:43 AM

#5426

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I wondered how people here would describe others here both assuming they were acting in good faith and assuming they weren't.

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01-14-2021 , 02:26 PM

#5427

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For mets eyes only

Spoiler:

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01-15-2021 , 02:39 AM

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are the democrats really about to send people checks for $1400 and pretend like this whole time they meant “$2000...in aggregate” because of the $600 check the was sent out like 9 months ago?

how ****ing gullible do they think people are?

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01-15-2021 , 02:40 AM

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look at this ****:

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01-15-2021 , 02:43 AM

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oh I see. they are referring the the $600 the last administration passed

my point still stands

****ing scumbags

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01-15-2021 , 03:00 AM

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not to mention, we are supposed to live on 3200 they sent out for the year smh

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01-15-2021 , 07:18 AM

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Lying to people who are already lost doesn't seem like the optimal approach.

Rhetorical hooks, such as appeals to nationalism, are not fact-claims and thus have no truth-value and thus cannot be "lying".

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01-15-2021 , 07:23 AM

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not to mention, we are supposed to live on 3200 they sent out for the year smh

They also expanded unemployment assistance, and the pre-existing social support is still there.

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01-15-2021 , 07:28 AM

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I wondered how people here would describe others here both assuming they were acting in good faith and assuming they weren't.

I think the number of people posting information they know to be false and arguments they know/realize are invalid is about 0, if that's what you mean by "good faith".

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01-15-2021 , 07:32 AM

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You want FB to be required to publish Trump's messages?

You want FB to be broken up by the government?

You want FB to be absorbed (nationalized) by the government?

Luckbox I'm genuinely curious how you answer this set of questions.

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01-15-2021 , 10:59 AM

#5436

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Rhetorical hooks, such as appeals to nationalism, are not fact-claims and thus have no truth-value and thus cannot be "lying".

This seems debatable.

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01-15-2021 , 11:01 AM

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Luckbox I'm genuinely curious how you answer this set of questions.

Ok. I'll need a couple hours though as I hate normative questions

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01-15-2021 , 11:30 AM

#5438

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Facebook seems beyond saving for not really related reasons.

Twitter is a more interesting one.

I wonder if we ever get Amazon banning people from buying stuff. That could be quite a stick some day.

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01-15-2021 , 11:56 AM

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"beyond saving" implies there was ever something to save?

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01-15-2021 , 11:57 AM

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Ok. I'll need a couple hours though as I hate normative questions

I mean look who you are responding to. The king of never making normative statements.

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01-15-2021 , 12:18 PM

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Facebook was kinda cool when it was just university people?!?

Now it's just ads and stealing data. Maybe it always was the second.

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01-15-2021 , 12:34 PM

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They could foreseeably go the member-only route, like Costco.

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01-15-2021 , 12:35 PM

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I mean look who you are responding to. The king of never making normative statements.

You should not make posts like this.

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01-15-2021 , 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

They could foreseeably go the member-only route, like Costco.

I know this meant Amazon but I was intrigued by thinking it meant Twitter.

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01-15-2021 , 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

You want FB to be required to publish Trump's messages?

You want FB to be broken up by the government?

You want FB to be absorbed (nationalized) by the government?

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

Luckbox I'm genuinely curious how you answer this set of questions.

The honest answer is that I wish people used facebook less. Beyond that some of those questions are tough.
Should T-Mobil be required to give Trump cell phone service? Should it be nationalized??? Probably yes and no.
The issue of social media (or just media) in general and its influence on society is obviously a lot tougher. Certainly it's very problematic. When you combine that with tech giants that are all in bed with the CIA and we'll end up with the dystopian nightmare we're getting (not today though beautiful day here).
Nationalization of tech companies isn't the answer though-- would anything even change? Probably revolution.

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01-15-2021 , 01:47 PM

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nationalization only works if its a dictatorship of the proletariat (as opposed to a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie which it is now)

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01-15-2021 , 02:08 PM

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nationalization only works if its a dictatorship of the proletariat (as opposed to a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie which it is now)

Since you're pretty well read on the subject is there anyone you'd recommend who's done a deep dive into who the proletariat is in the 21st century? I'm curious about that particular aspect of how people who spend a lot of time thinking about this stuff reconcile the modern world with Uncle Karl's framework.

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01-15-2021 , 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pwnsall

Facebook was kinda cool when it was just university people?!?

Now it's just ads and stealing data. Maybe it always was the second.

I kind of liked it when it was just a way to get in touch with people I hadn't seen in ages

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01-15-2021 , 03:22 PM

#5449

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Originally Posted by Booker Wolfbox

just a wild guess that the existence of the internet doesn't change that the class divide is whether you're an employer or employee

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01-15-2021 , 03:42 PM

#5450

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just a wild guess that the existence of the internet doesn't change that the class divide is whether you're an employer or employee

I think the world has changed enough that you have many persons who fall into both categories. And I personally wouldn't consider a lot of highly compensated white collar employee workers as members of the proletariat. If I'm a "employer" running a very modest service business (i.e. no capital), am I a member of the bourgeoisie even if I make very little money?

I don't spend my days thinking about such things which is why I'd like to see what someone who does thinks.

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