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11-03-2018 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
Simply calling yourself a socialist does not make you a socialist. And it does not do any good to elect people who call themselves socialist but aren't actually.
You’re not wholly wrong, but you are closer to wrong than right
11-03-2018 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HerbieGRD
You’re not wholly wrong, but you are closer to wrong than right
solid post
11-03-2018 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
At least one of the accusations against Kavanaugh was made up

Which is why anyone who decided he was guilty before hearing either side speak should be ashamed

http://www.businessinsider.com/brett...ighton-2018-11
to my knowledge no one believed this individual from the beginning. and this has virtually no impact on whether Ford's testimony which was BY FAR more credible than anything Kav said, was true.


but i expect the rest of the conservatards to push this pretty hard.
11-03-2018 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
The people who support Trump are themselves racist, or don't care that he is, which basically makes them racist.
this is absolutely true. you either support or are at best don't really care that he is a racist, sexist, bigot. which makes you complicit in those things.

i dont want to let people like mets out from under that, when they says they would vote for someone else if they could "but gosh that democrat is mean to racists, so i gotta vote for the racist.."

i think we are going to see a TON of that in 2020.
11-03-2018 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
solid post
I don’t want to get into a long discussion about the symbolic value of electoral politics and how things can move into and out of the realm of the possible due to the labels and policies that are advanced by political figures that are considered “mainstream” instead of “fringe” but sufficed to say I think you’re wrong when you say that someone calling themselves a socialist and being accepted in the mainstream doesn’t matter
11-03-2018 , 03:38 PM
aoc is currently fangirling out over captain janeway. i love star trek voyager and captain janeway.

btw kate mulgrew(captain janeway) was a republican when she was working on the show in the 90s. now mulgrew is supporting aoc
11-03-2018 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HerbieGRD
I think you guys are underestimating how much of a relative big deal it is to have people who identify as socialists being given a more prominent spot in the national spotlight is for people who oppose capitalism from the left. These things take time, but they have to start somewhere, and the most likely place they start is electing people who don’t identify as capitalists
Yep. We aren't going to shift the Overton window back without paying a bit of lip service to "socialists."

The goal is to get people comfortable with the term. Somebody like AOC will help do that
11-03-2018 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
solid post
When I ask you for a how and you pussyfoot around with no answer and insist that only outrage and rejection of the status quo will work with no evidence, this is what I mean. Why the **** would you ever decide that someone who wants to use the socialist moniker, be they such or not (This is assuming they are MORE socialist than the person they are running against) should not do so when they are going to be a sitting member of congres?
11-03-2018 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
At least one of the accusations against Kavanaugh was made up

Which is why anyone who decided he was guilty before hearing either side speak should be ashamed

http://www.businessinsider.com/brett...ighton-2018-11
Bahaha, always fun to see when you get handed down your marching orders from your overlords.

So this person who was only ever identified as an anonymous claimant, who made accusations following the period where we were warned that there were likely to be false accusations coming forward, were never investigated, and never brought up during the Kavanaugh hearings, admitted she was lying?

Sacre blu! Can you imagine what would have happened if Kavanuagh hasn't been confirmed based on this information that had 0 impact on what we were talking about for a month?

The ****ing horror.
11-03-2018 , 06:09 PM
Yeah. You can throw Swetnick in there as a nutcase too if you want and it wont move the needle on what Kavanaugh is..
11-03-2018 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
aoc is currently fangirling out over captain janeway. i love star trek voyager and captain janeway.

btw kate mulgrew(captain janeway) was a republican when she was working on the show in the 90s. now mulgrew is supporting aoc
Don't let Birdman's ideological purity Bogart your hit. AOC is a breath of fresh air and a definite move in the right direction.
11-03-2018 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
Don't let Birdman's ideological purity Bogart your hit. AOC is a breath of fresh air and a definite move in the right direction.
lol “purity”

So demanding that I want a politician who will denounce war, apartheid, and genocide
11-03-2018 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcticKnight
Yeah. You can throw Swetnick in there as a nutcase too if you want and it wont move the needle on what Kavanaugh is..
Birdman said we didn't need to hear testimony, nobody lies about assault.

I respect you finding her more credible and believable than kavanaugh. But people itt decided he was guilty before any testimony was out.
11-03-2018 , 07:15 PM
Are you saying he wasn't guilty?
11-03-2018 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Birdman said we didn't need to hear testimony, nobody lies about assault.

I respect you finding her more credible and believable than kavanaugh. But people itt decided he was guilty before any testimony was out.
Dude you’re referring to me among others here, and I never said he was definitely guilty, I said that the odds of him having done what was accused specifically by Ford was far more likely than not, and that there was little chance that the hearing would change that (it didn’t). I also said that he definitely lied about the degree of certainty that was possible for him to have (also still true) and that alone should disqualify him from the Supreme Court (it still should) so please stop pretending that what you posted above somehow “disproves” or even invalidates the arguments that were made ITT
11-03-2018 , 08:04 PM
So it’s safe to say that Mets does not think Kavanaugh assaulted Ford at this point.

Pretty amazing in one page that Mets came out in support of both a sexual predator and a racist
11-03-2018 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
So it’s safe to say that Mets does not think Kavanaugh assaulted Ford at this point.

Pretty amazing in one page that Mets came out in support of both a sexual predator and a racist
Not amazing, mandatory for anyone who is a Republican at this point
11-03-2018 , 08:46 PM
Trump's top agricultural official stumping for deSantis in FL, says it's so "cotton-picking" important to not pick Gillum in the governor's race..

they just can't ****ing help themselves they have to be racist at every possible turn.
11-03-2018 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
Trump's top agricultural official stumping for deSantis in FL, says it's so "cotton-picking" important to not pick Gillum in the governor's race..

they just can't ****ing help themselves they have to be racist at every possible turn.
Stop monkeying around, there’s no way he actually said that......

Oh, wait....
11-03-2018 , 08:59 PM
Kavanaugh also didn’t rape Eleanor Roosevelt or Babe Ruth; that means precisely **** all as to his guilt on the other charges that everyone was talking about

And anyone pushing the narrative that he be judged solely on his least credible accuser should be ashamed
11-03-2018 , 09:13 PM
There does come a point at which when one supports the party of racists, anti-semites, xenophobes, and misogynist sexual abusers one has to own that
11-03-2018 , 11:13 PM
I actually thought that, despite how it sounds, the expression “cotton-picking” wasn’t racial. But I could be wrong about that
11-03-2018 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
I actually thought that, despite how it sounds, the expression “cotton-picking” wasn’t racial. But I could be wrong about that
You’re right as to how non-racist white people see it, you’re wrong as to how black people and racist white people see it imo
11-03-2018 , 11:40 PM
So to be clear I don’t think that particular comment had racist intent, but it could, so I personally would give the benefit of the doubt, but it would be far easier to do so if it wasn’t in support of a party that has been making overtly racist appeals for the past 3 years
11-04-2018 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
I actually thought that, despite how it sounds, the expression “cotton-picking” wasn’t racial. But I could be wrong about that
i'm in the "south" and i've heard it used twice in the last 5-7 years... both this year and both in direct reference to black people.

      
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