I'm not sure it's that hard to envision if you frame it correctly. Imagine if you were still you but everyone treated you like they treat a homeless person. That seems somewhat close to me. Obviously some (almost all) people will be hesitant to agree with the truthiness of it.

Let's say for instance some person acknowledges they are racist and will try not to do racist stuff like grab their purse tighter around a black person. Is this behavior to not ACT racist even helpful? Or is it all that matters? It seems like a weird thing to have to filter through your brain every time.

What on gods earth does that mean?

generally the divider is abortion. my friend posited if abortion was actually settled law almost everyone would vote democratic, since democratic policies are widely popular.

other than ofcourse the few holdouts that still naively think republicans give them more money to which its impossible to teach them anything about the world.

Strongly disagree with this hypothesis.

noted..

Yeah I dunno.

Wonder if airbnb is contributing to a possible second housing bubble?

I think leaving abortion up to each individual state is a fairly reasonable approach.

If we ever got to that point repubs would just change some positions to carve out more votes in different areas, which I think is obviously fine.

The abortion anchoring votes angle is a bit intriguing.

this basically means poor people cant get abortions. which if that's youre real goal to control and limit the options for poor people, then you can just say that without the extra steps.

airbnb is so ****ed up in places like SF and LA. people routinely rent/own apartments just so they can airbnb them. scum like crossnerd! you can rent an apt in LA for 2k a month and airbnb it out for 3k-4k a month.

and if you own an apartment you can make more airbnbing it out than you can renting. so for people like me who need to rent to have a place to live it makes it much harder to live.

im telling you SF is a nightmare city, post apocalyptic, if the apocalypse is rich ****s. seriously, the city just banished poor people. it's amazing, sickening, heartbreaking

There are millions of people out there that believe abortion is equivalent to murdering babies. That's a pretty serious level of standard that will accept an amount of social consequence.

http://honisoit.com/2018/08/nine-days-in-north-korea/

and most of them are too stupid to understand that liberal policies like healthcare for all, sex education programs, and birth control being free reduce abortions by a huge amount. i get that.

those irrational zealots aren't going to be satisfied by state's controlling the decision and the people that seriously propose it aren't those people, they are just people that like the idea of controlling the poor population.

The key thing to really keep in mind about this conversation people are having is that getting people to vote democrat instead of republican is a really stupid goal

we get it

you don't need to repeat this literally every time people discuss US politics

everyone knows what you think about it

As long as people keep repeating nonsense about the Democratic Party being the savior of American politics I’ll keep repeating my refrain. That only seems fair in a politics thread, Bloo

beating that dead horse at the slightest provocation adds literally nothing to the thread but you do you

i agree. not in the way i assume you mean, but i agree that everyone that voted Trump is largely a lost cause, and democrats shouldn't go at all out of their way to bring them back into the fold.

They will either come back out of shame of how they screwed the country, or they are complicit with racism, sexism, and rampant corruption/criminality as long as it doesn't impact them directly. and in that case i wouldn't really want them back.

for the mythical swing voter, if they are considering voting trump again they are actually trump republicans pretending otherwise to feel a little better about themselves, before they inevitably pull that straight red lever again.

cool, thanks for the input

Yeah that’s not the way I meant at all. Democrats are trash and no one in their right mind should be wasting effort trying to get people to vote for democratic politicians. Right now the best selling point the Dems seem to be able to offer is “we are slightly better than trump” which, if you know anything about trump, doesn’t say much good about the Democratic Party.

i think (like most diehard holdout trump supporters) a real large financial impact that was more or less directly caused by trump would be a big start

i doubt him being caught with underage porn would make a big deal unless it was like children children (because we all know the roy moore republicans believe in grooming anyway), and even that i assume would be tossed aside as a smear campaign and fake news

damnit! stop pointing out reality and destroying my illusion!

oh sorry, i thought i was bloo for a minute

i wonder if the foundation we discussed of reframing racism as a trait in a human not as a damning character flaw but rather as a learned behavior that everyone has could be effectively reframed to trump supporters' views of trump

An interesting tangential question:

Is there anything anyone could say to get people like Master, EB, Slighted, etc etc from supporting American oligarchy and empire