Yeah but this is more of an answer about the political tactics of the situation.

I’m asking what you, personally, think about it. Do YOU care that Trump didn’t show McCain respect?

Yeah agreed on all counts. Attack Mets on his premise that Trumps policies are good because that is fair. This is what you should be saying, not “lol Mets you should stop voting for trump because he disrespected McCain”

and when I go, if this is the best that can be said of me - I guess I'm okay with that!

Don't think it can bubble in that sense on its own. Something has to trigger a run on selling. Something overvalued that deflates then that being sold deflates more stuff.

You're right. I doubt that will change his mind though. Sometimes the best way to change a mind is through exploration of their hypocrisies.

Nobody likes being a hypocrite.

I think birdman is basically right that the real argument with mets is about his policy preferences, or maybe his tolerance for certain policies (re: immigration), rather than anything about McCain.

As an aside: My impression is that actually no one really cares about hypocrisy except in their ideological opponents. It was something I remember thinking a lot about as I was doing content analysis of the MRA subreddit, with the endless complaints of feminist hypocrisy. It just seems like people find accusations of hypocrisy to be rhetorically useful but rarely feel that accusations leveled at them are fair, accurate, or important. It's just something that I have found interesting. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone change their view on anything out of concern that they were being hypocritical.

Remember when VR came in to the politics thread she very rarely posted in and leveraged her power as a poster/woman to get zorkman banned and eventually getting monkey banana to step down. Pepperidge farm remembers.

I always enjoy the Birdman/Mets discussions (unless its Israel) because I feel sometimes that if Birdman and Mets had a love child, that I might be the result. But Birdman here is completely winning in all things related to McCain.

The whole McCain thing is signaling, nothing more or less.

I don't really have an emotional response to it.

I am not as anti-McCain as some. People are complex. I think he genuinely tried to do the right thing when he first entered the Senate. I think he did more and more of the wrong things the longer he was there. I think anyone who has been tortured has some justification for feeling anger at their torturers.

I think a complicated man but not a particularly great one has passed away, but he did almost become president and something probably should have been said by the current holder of that office than the most generic tweet imaginable.

But to me, complaining about it feels like complaining your coffee is cold while the coffeehouse burns down. It just implies a shattering lack of perspective. If mets really agrees with everything the Trump administration has done though, I'll just go back to quietly seething to myself.

if you want Mets to stop supporting Trump, jumping down his throat whenever he criticizes Trump is an odd approach

I feel bad about Monkey Banana as I think that was my fault. Zorkman did himself in though.

Zorkman was indeed asking for it.

Laughably true.

This is just the flag kneeling repackaged.

Or possibly the statue stuff.

Hell we don't even have a good idea if most people give a damn about this.

Somehow I doubt McCain's 106 year old mother is a 2p2er but am willing to apologize if that is indeed the case. This place does harbor some olds so wouldn't be that shocking.

If I have a say in the matter then I prefer people talk **** about me once I'm dead.
In humanist terms, Iranians are better off with him dead than alive.

the pen is mightier!

What happened with MB? I never got the full story

You might not change your view. Idk. But I bet a lot of people change their thinking to justify their views. Logical consistency can be important.

probably true

One day he disappeared and the politics thread went on just fine and never needed moderation again and we all lived happily ever after.

It turns out moderating threads on the internet for no pay is a bad deal.

Only slightly better than posting in them.

The upshot in my experience is simply that people don't think they are being inconsistent. They just think their accusers are ignoring important distinctions between situation A and B.

Maybe that's true and maybe it's not, but I think birdman has an interesting point that it also often seems better to me to focus on the substantive argument over questions of hypocrisy.

There is nothing anyone here can say that will make Mets stop supporting Trump, just like there isn't anything anyone here can say that will make me start supporting -local conservative populist comparable to Trump-. Pretending otherwise takes you to WN/EB levels of naivete.

I'm not denying my campaign to get him banned. But in the end he did it to himself.

I don't want mets banned. I just want to bully him into agreeing with me which is a terrible approach. Sorry, mets. You'd think living in Kansas I'd know how to talk to people I disagree with, but I've forgotten in the years of minimal interaction with other humans.