well gg all... haha... I still say JCohen telegraphed it.... Just think about it from My perspective...

1 guy is like: well PS is really wolfy we have it as long as we lynch him
1 guy is mapping out his whole ****ing endgame and clearly KNOWS im going to flip villager...

JCohen might as well have just posted "I am a wolf".... but whatever.. lol

I actually typed your name out

so I could just say you were my n0 and sun was my n1

than decided I should take a look at the VC

its not the natural POE when all the villager has to do to win is survive

and exactly! thats why its not villagery...

Dude you do not win 0/100 without that cmon.... We have the same odds/ chance of the seer getting waggoned accidentally whether I claim or not. I'm not a psychic here. A hard claim from a villager with 7 and 1 wolf is a good play because the real seer can often sit back.

Furthermore even if it Doesnt work it forces out more info. I also want to argue I kind of cleared myself. How could i ever ever ever manage that as a wolf, its ridiculous.


And majoritying myself had 0 effect on the game. I was getting voted off anyway. I was trying to manipulate CrimsonFox psychologically with the self lynch... if he wasnt sure.. then trust the guy who died like Jesus. It's reasonable.

Basically as far as Im concered the WORST possible scenario occured with the hard claim and we still caught you but you managed to talk your way out of it... Id give yourself credit over calling my play bad haha

benneh was fine dying because realized he wasn't being universally read as village and he was outside of he claims during all of the confusion

as a wolf you can't just accept to bite the bullet there, your only choice is to "clear" yourself

the lines he took irt what went on are extremely risking for a wolf to take in a 6-1 and 4-1 situation

yes i do win 0/100 times because there is 0% chance i was NK'ing gamer before you led him into HC'ing, and i cannot win without killing the seer there

and gamer would not have gotten wagoned because he voted lycant on d1

you don't want to force out more info! the only info is who the seer is, which is what i need to know in order to even have a chance of winning


and you can't say the self-maj had zero effect when I'm telling you it made my job as a wolf muuuuuch easier

you should have realized that crimson had already called me a villager and called benneh wolfy, and was therefore more likely to vote in my favor at f3

i probably should have talked to you guys more but really you guys sounded exactly the same at the end and had no real questions to ask.

He was fine dying because he thought I was the wolf.. JCohen knew he was the wolf so he was orchestrating split blame between me and benneh... even the "I guess i prefer PS to benneh" post because some absurd connection to not voting for lycant. Thats just utterly asinine.

and in what world can you argue that (1) your strategy was clearing yourself but (2) that self-maj'ing was helpful?

there was one move that lycant made that i saw and that was voting gambit instead of cohen at the end. It was odd but at the end it really wasn't that much of a damning thing.
voting for cohen could have been good vote for him if cohen were a wolf. But he didn't know that. I played with that notion a little as well as him mentioning both he and gambit in the same sentence of "being different". I kinda threw these things away as it could have been either way for those things.

dude what don't you get that if i was the villager, i would also be deciding between you and benneh? there was no one else left!!!

dont beat yourself up

just note jcohen's f3 wolf tells

begs for sympathy, plays to your hard decision
prone to FPS (I am too, so this was unfortunate)
compliments the other's game endlessly rather than focusing on his own

and some general f3 wolf tells:

talking to the other player instead of the cleared
using circular arguments

nah i just ignored it.
all i know about you is you and cohen see the game differently but that's not enough to trust you that you know he was a wolf.

ive seen a wolf or two concede the lynch for the greater good and end up not getting lynched

that being said i think it was villagery at the time but using it for a reason why you should be read villa is really thin

Ridiculous results oriented thinking. Yes he wouldn't have gotten waggoned but someone would have gotten waggoned. Given the information available at the time there was no reason to believe a wagon on the seer was more likely from the claim. It would be like If I told you to reach into a bag with 1 blue ball and 1 yellow... with your objective being to grab the blue ball. You grab the ball on the left which is yellow and then I claim that was stupid because if you had only grabbed the ball on the right you'd have gotten the right ball. While that is true, there is no way you had the info to know that at the time.

If you want to say my play was bad because it leads to confusion which helps wolves... that might be a valid argument. But don't try and claim it makes a wagon on the seer more likely because that's utter BS

eh

its hard to distinguish between people who have the same goal. its probably easier to decide by reading the rest of the thread, or by asking about decisions each player made during the game

f3 is just about persuasion, its kinda role neutral tbh.

oh i know and SAW cohen's ****ing wolf tell. i saw it! he did it again and that made me stop voting you earlier.
then i went back and read more stuff and i just saw you doing more of the same kinda talking, then you voted for me out of nowhere.

both of your votes on lycan were meh. On the surface his is worse.

but i'm not a person that goes with mechanics alone as the reason. my reads said you were more wolfy.

And you were pingy my tells equally as cohen.

this is when werewolf takes place

find out who's lying or exploit the gullible, depending on your alignment

what?


my point was that you elicited the real seer to HC

which lowered the village's WP% by a massive amount

and thats why the play was terrible

i also couldn't believe cohen left me at the end.
grtrrrr **** you for messing with my head. GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

Yes.... but it wouldn't be so orchestrated. It goes without saying you don't want yourself lynched!!! Everyone regardless of their role knows its bad for them to get lynched and we all know everyone knows that.. repeating "as long as we dont lynch me" is obvious and unhelpful... the most helpful thing is pointing out the most likely wolf of the 2 people that are not you.

Benneh did this (naming me)
I did this (naming you)
You split down the middle, gave an argument why I was slightly more likely than benneh for an utterly asinine reason, and stayed mostly focused on how we shouldnt lynch you.

It was so obvious to me I would have convicted you of being a wolf in a court of law with reasonable doubt standards.

you called me a villager and called benneh wolfy. i was gearing my persuasion toward you well before f3

sun said we are not lynching benneh. there was no decision for me to make, i knew ahead of time it'd have to be you

I don't understand how you cant grasp this. Yes I elicited that but there was no reason to think from my perspective that I was making that any more likely.

i could virtually guarantee i could find my own village games in past similar situations that say the same thing

and others villa games as well

if its so obvious that its bad for villagers to get lynched, why did you self maj and benneh say he'd be fine with being lynched? obviously its not so obvious lol