Some thoughts, ranging from thin as non-bread to scalding #hottakes, heed them, or don't:

-VarianceMinefield - gets an early villager lean. While he is capable of demonstrating the level of aggression he did early here as a wolf, I have only seem him do it once as a wolf that I can recall, and that was when he and his wolfbros really needed a mislynch. I would expect wolf VarianceMinefield to at least try to blend in a bit more early on or, at the very least, not openly agitate as many players as possible as we have seen him do here. Can he do it as a wolf? Yes. Is he doing it here as a wolf? I lean no.

-accobra_kid - I really like where his mind appeared to be wrt his thoughts on baudib, particularly this post

-Gadarene - for approximately the eleven-billionth time, Gad reminds us that math dictates that we are all more likely villagers than wolves. I think we have the equation down at this point, friend. More worrisome than this is the jumping into the thread with what reads like a prepared list of 'reads' as though he was following along the whole time but didn't really want to post. This could be filed under non-bread but I lean slightly wolf here.

-Outed Wolf hasn't posted yet but what an awesome ww name! (nb4 it is wolfy to talk about people who haven't even posted yet, yeah yeah I know)

-Sun Tzu - came into the thread guns blazing, which I normally find wolfy but in this case I am giving a villager lean. Mostly because his follow-up posts have seemed pure and do not read as even slightly self conscious. I have heard he can be a crafty one, however, so I will be keeping my eyes peeled.

Other things from my notes so far:

-if baudib is a wolf he has remarkably good tone for a wolf, and other than the stuff accobra pointed out (which was good imho) I don't see where all the heat is coming from; it seems like he is handling himself well

-lynching moocher would be bad today and I will lobby hard not to do it barring some additional information; that said, his defensiveness in the face of heat seems somewhat odd

-Tom is a very likely villager, he is posting fearlessly and I will (to a fault) always give villager points to that type of posting; and post #1510 is the Post of the Game so far, been chuckling quietly at that one for a fair bit now

-As someone else pointed out, bloobird's posting is eerily similar to that of his posting in the one game where montecore shot him d1 and nearly cruised to victory as bloobird's wolfbro (forgot the name of the game but others remember), wolf lean there

-Speaking of montecore, he's not posted much of anything substance-wise, entry wasn't great, exit wasn't great, in-between wasn't notable, he can be in the sketchpile for the foreseeable future

-pimpmyrideyois a terribad gimmick in addition to being a bit wolfy, no reasoning given for any of his reads that I can recall, plus he's pushed thingy (who's probably a villager) and pushed mutigers (who is also pushing thingy) which doesn't make a lot of sense on Level 1 (and I have a difficult time believing pimpmyrideyo is capable of operating on any other level)

-mutigers can be a wolf as well, I find his incredulity wrt thingyman incredulous, but he is almost certainly not on pimp's team

Critique the above at your leisure.

How is that the middle?

It is the last thing I talk about.

Do you have nothing to say about my read on gad other than you find the placing of the vote wolfy?

You realise that is pretty wolfy of you?

A lot of them are pretty thin reads and unordered.

Afaict if I'm clearing anyone too lightly it's Tom/Redd/Vagos/Uofu

The thing about Tom is we just had another game with each other where we both cleared each other and he was a villager then, so I'm really hoping it's just the same scenario and he's not actually a wolf pocketing me.

if you add kruze to my list I think I'm pretty confident in most of my villagers

He almost immediately began discrediting me with backup Death Star talk. Even as a joke, it implies my reads should not be given any weight.

That is wrong.

i think you're knowingly overstating your WW ability and that you are saying on the one hand that we need to work together whilst trying to bait me, which is, at best, mendacious on your part

i also don't think you're going to stop despite my repeated requests which is equal parts puzzling and amusing

He was also cleared from bloobird spew.

Good stuff Shark, I actually agree with most there.

I promise I am a villager and you don't need to tinfoil.

I hope this post saves you from a lot of future stress.

This sounds right, but if you may or may not recall, I think 72o basically decimated uofu in the very early stages of the game (like page 1-5 of a midnight start kinda thing). I was on board as were a few others, but then uofu just kept WIMing his ass off and then had the ITA shat, and the read basically faded away.

His start was the key thing I'm alluding to though.

is bloobird dead or outed lol or you talking about another game

VMF I don't particularly know how well I can read.

Accobra_kid I've only seen wolf and he was pretty slanky

I have no particular lean on gadarene, but I also haven't really taken the time to dive into the sea of words that are all of his posts yet. A read will come, rest assured.

From what I can tell IRT sun that's a pretty accurate assessment coming from my experience with him

Baudib is a pretty good wolf and he can fake tone, so I wouldn't recommend clearing him too lightly.

I don't remember if I've ever played with moocher. Maybe once? He seemed kinda villagery in the early stages of the game at least.

Tom is a hard read but I also have him as a villager so

I'd have to reread that game because I'm pretty sure I came in when bloobird was practically already dead and missed his entire d1 pretty much.

no read on the other three either.

I agree with the majority of your reads here.

irt to baudib, I think those who have played with him would argue he does in fact have good tone as a wolf. It's not a part of his wolf game that is lacking

Another game. Also hi mor

You started it up by implying my tone or gut based reads are inherently inferior to critical analysis and were therefore invalid.

That is not true. You can also see that I am capable of explaining my leans, so there is usually a thought process to match the instinctual response.

If you sound wolfy I'm gonna call you wolfy and not always folding in context doesn't invalidate my leans. Some posts are just wolfy all on their own. Deal with it.

For the time being I'm putting you in my pocket and just rolling with it.

I'm happy just to be able to work with you here

Yeah now that you mention it your right, I had forgotten about that.

insanity, what else have you got?

I liked it with the caveat that a wolf has an easier time sounding sincere while posting from behind.

That said, I have no reason to suspect him. From what I remember of old mashes, wall of text approach is villa for him.

Shady's back

Good post. Can you explain the difference between V and W Baudib behaviors? I didn't read my games in detail and you were in them so yeah

*fangirl squealing*

You were one of the first players I ever played with on POG. You and Redd and XKF and MrGatito. Where did that guy go?

Red: apparently not, since people make this mistake en masse every single game

Blue: I don't understand the criticism here. You're saying it seems like I've actually read the whole thread because I produced a reads list based on people's posts on pages 1 and 2 which was populated solely by people that had posted on pages 1 and 2? More to the point, you think I've read the whole thread and refrained from commenting the whole time, before putting up a post that offered reads on pages 1 and 2 and was explicitly styled as such?

this isn't anything like what i said and it's actually how i make my reads, something you would know if you had paid any attention to anything i've done in any of our games together

i also told you that i don't care about your opinion so ofc you don't need to say 'deal with it'

I've never played with baudib so have no idea of meta, but post count and general tone means I certainly don't want to see him dead anytime soon.

hi monstr you seem to be going hard if you happen to miss an eod ill try not to let it lead to tunneling