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07-25-2013 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Kukraprout
i agree that kokiri needs to be a serious wagon again

i dont totally hate his wagon yesterday but voting him while he was away was probably not the best idea
we cannot afford many mislynches and giving people a chance to defend themselves might help us
has kokiri explained why he wasnt on at all for EoD yesterday or did we confirm he was a euro and I just missed it?
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07-25-2013 , 03:40 PM
Haha ha, how can u not be the 3rd wolf here, u have zeroed in on me with the other flea bags and have completely ignored yesterday's eod.

If Erryones wants kokiri lynched then why isn't he? And by that standard your part of everyone and ur vote is on me.... Bizaro right?
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07-25-2013 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Kukraprout
there is quite a gap in nich's logic imo

A. lynching DS was very important because we would gain a lot of info if he was a wolf by analyzing w/v wagons
B. lol at everyone who thinks that nich voting the villager in a w/v situation would make nich a likely wolf

A and B are quite contradictory
No they aren't

Divided was a day one wagon, which is an important wagon day and one in which the seer is still around

Now that seer is gone, wolves can bus each other optimally because no worries about seer peeking them

No wolf is going to jump out to save a fellow wolf like that after seer is gone
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07-25-2013 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bhuber2010
has kokiri explained why he wasnt on at all for EoD yesterday or did we confirm he was a euro and I just missed it?
Confirmed euro, hasn't been here eod any day, I checked.
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07-25-2013 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27
No they aren't

Divided was a day one wagon, which is an important wagon day and one in which the seer is still around

Now that seer is gone, wolves can bus each other optimally because no worries about seer peeking them

No wolf is going to jump out to save a fellow wolf like that after seer is gone
With all 3 wolves still alive on lynch from ml,, bussing is the stupidest play ever, - eV play, you been spewing stats yet u neglect the odds of bussing in this spot is ridiculous
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07-25-2013 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by luckduck53
Service announcement:
I will not be active until around 1.

Dropping my wife off for a massage then so I'll be free for roughly 90 to phone post.

Pretty sure that if Kokiri flips wolf then Tyler is never a wolf because all he had to do was vote DS to avoid a flip.
Unless he knew he would look horrendous for coming in and sniping divided knowing he would flip villa (unless kokiri is also v and then he would just look bad either way).

These both assume that tyler is a wolf which I dont think is the case/would be surprised, but if kokiri flips villa at any point, it would look kind of bad for tyler.

(either he was truly afk and didnt snipe a wagon or he was just watching and purposefully didn't vote to note lynch a human either way).
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07-25-2013 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tmleafs1967
Confirmed euro, hasn't been here eod any day, I checked.
okay that makes some sense then
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07-25-2013 , 03:45 PM
He said he was here huber
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07-25-2013 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tmleafs1967
Kukra, could you dive into your niche for other reasons please.

Obv he's a wolf but why change the order? Kokiri flew and away when he could have been posting and changing minds but chose to run, that, in itself is more than enough for me.
a reason is the post i made this morning about his attitude wrt kokiri: it just makes no sense.
i feel he is using is meta of being all about data and equity as excuses for his votes, and sometimes he votes saying he has reads, and in the case of kokiri he expressed suspicion of kokiri several times and still voted to save him

his defense for voting kokiri was absurd: mister wagon data telling us that his kokiri vote meant nothing about his role was just lol

his entrance this morning also made no sense: voting leafs for no reason whatsoever, some ramblings about w/w pushing their plan without saying who would be a wolf pushing what plan

generally he pops in the thread to discuss things that are totally irrevelant to the situation at hand (like at yesterday's eod, he discussed the seer kill to great lengths, got into a little fight with bhuber and stayed around not discussing dividedsky before sniping him)
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07-25-2013 , 03:47 PM
Two things, I very much like leafs play today and yes, the people voting with me make me nervous.
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07-25-2013 , 03:48 PM
Some else confirmed he was euro btw, and not himself, don't remember who said it thou.
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07-25-2013 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tmleafs1967
With all 3 wolves still alive on lynch from ml,, bussing is the stupidest play ever, - eV play, you been spewing stats yet u neglect the odds of bussing in this spot is ridiculous
I didn't say they will bus

I said they can bus optimally...which means things like not jumping out to vote to save a wolf right before eod


Everyone thinks that was hella wolfy...so then logically, why would I have done that if I was a wolf?

It's much more logical that I'm a villager who wanted divided dead to clear up d1 wagons than a wolf making such a "look at me" move when seer is dead

Again, u guys must think I'm an idiot to call me a wolf for that vote


Hint: wolves care about their votes and how they look 27000x more than villagers do
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07-25-2013 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bhuber2010
has kokiri explained why he wasnt on at all for EoD yesterday or did we confirm he was a euro and I just missed it?
he said he was from UK on page 2
he even mentionned drinking tea later, UK claim checks out
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07-25-2013 , 03:52 PM
Problem for me right now is kokiri came in blabbed for 10 seconds, voted me and ran away, in a time frame when he has shown to be around and posting other days. So the euro part works for EoD but not when he came in today imo.
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07-25-2013 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27
I didn't say they will bus

I said they can bus optimally...which means things like not jumping out to vote to save a wolf right before eod


Everyone thinks that was hella wolfy...so then logically, why would I have done that if I was a wolf?

It's much more logical that I'm a villager who wanted divided dead to clear up d1 wagons than a wolf making such a "look at me" move when seer is dead

Again, u guys must think I'm an idiot to call me a wolf for that vote


Hint: wolves care about their votes and how they look 27000x more than villagers do
Make a list, who and why please.
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07-25-2013 , 03:53 PM
I'll he back on break.
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07-25-2013 , 03:53 PM
has anyone experience of kokiri playing similar to here?
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07-25-2013 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tylertwo
First, my apologies for not defending DS more. I was mad at bhuber troll for this post. I did try to research kokiri for wolf, but I just couldn't find it. Unlike buber who will hide under a rock all day and expect the village to understand, i will continue studying.

I dont understand why you think I "hide" under a rock all day and expect the village to understand. I work nights from 8p to 8a server time, I come home and sleep and then I spend my few free hours in the afternoon trying to solve the game I do what I can and I am pretty darn good at what I do for the most part.

You come in late, skim the threads poorly, admit to only reading a portion of the posts in the game and then lynch a villager after you've said you'll bother to read the rest later? And you have the nerve to tell me how to play? I notice that you never got to the part were I said that, unlike you, I actually study the posts in the thread for my votes.

This is literally an absurd assertion to make but I am not going to just ram it down your throat because, like you, I am usually not very confrontational As I explained above, I work nights (where sometimes I actually get to read the thread numerous times if we are not busy on the truck and others where I get no reading done at all and go home to sleep). I also study my votes, and I always vote the person that is most wolfy to me.

I was on divided sky since d1, my vote was actually very well explained (probably more so than any single person in this thread). Its not like I randomly decided to just jump ship and just lynch divided sky. I thought he was the most wolfy person since d1 and thats where my vote stayed.


Oh goodness! This from the person who berated luck and DS for daring to have fun in a game and trying to order them to get down to business. We're supposed to turn around and cut him slack.

What? I never berated them, now you're just twisting things (either maliciously or by accident). I said I prefer the serious side of ww and the jokey/trolley/posting .gifs version of it doesnt normally appeal to me (we never do that on PTP and thats why I strictly play vanillas in the first place).

And yes, I always demand slack


Funny, how he wants to be able to joke around when he wants...

Yes, yes I will

Wait, what? He marches around ordering everybody else to be serious? Hey, look in the mirror bud, that push that you mentioned that you like doing, you may want to start with you...



Wow, I like this quote! I can't wait to see how it turns out!



Yes, that's true. But don't be surprised when someone harasses you back.



Hey, at least he's in the game working. I think you believe somebody hired you to be the critic. No work, just here to make the game less fun...



I think the use of the word "purposefully" here is a Freudian slip.



Yes! And I didn't lynch a villager!

I hope I'm not having too much fun for you...

The last few quotes I think are more in response to my quotes/all of my posts yesterday versus actually calling me wolfy so I wont really address those
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07-25-2013 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27
No they aren't

Divided was a day one wagon, which is an important wagon day and one in which the seer is still around

Now that seer is gone, wolves can bus each other optimally because no worries about seer peeking them

No wolf is going to jump out to save a fellow wolf like that after seer is gone
if this is accepted, then blatantly saving other wolves becomes the best wolf play.

am i wrong?
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07-25-2013 , 04:01 PM
i thought tmleafs calling for kokiri's head this morning was really villagery on tone especially if kokiri flips wolf at some point but it gives me some pause that I literally just saw him bus the absolute **** out of ATM the minute he got into the thread when he was w/w with ATM in our last PTP game

leafs, would you do that again?
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07-25-2013 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Kukraprout
he said he was from UK on page 2
he even mentionned drinking tea later, UK claim checks out
eating tea, but details.
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07-25-2013 , 04:02 PM
i guess, if kokiri is a villager, it would basically seal leaf's fate tonight as we would probably turbo leafs tomorrow if kokiri flips villager at lynch so it makes it slightly less likely that he would be pushing a kokiri mis-lynch so hard if kok is a v and leafs is a w.
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07-25-2013 , 04:03 PM
I think Nich can definitely be a wolf here, but Leaf is the percentage play. And UAW is the classic wagon that never quite gets going. Leaf/UAW/one more.
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07-25-2013 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Kukraprout
if this is accepted, then blatantly saving other wolves becomes the best wolf play.

am i wrong?
Yes, because look at the heat I am getting for it

Villagers care less about heat and more about catching wolves

Wolves care more about heat, especially with seer gone
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07-25-2013 , 04:04 PM
unless they (leafs and/or the other wolves if leafs is a w) that they only need 1 more mis-lynch before must lynch and think the village wont go 3/3 at ML lynching wolves.

I think that looks good for leafs in the sense that he can only be wolf bussing the **** out of kokiri if he is also a wolf and trying to make it deep

or he is a villager and is trying to lynch someone who he thinks could flip w

I am gonna read kokiri's posts in isolation now
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