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03-27-2014 , 12:44 PM
Are we all now using the word "ISO"? Is that how it is?
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03-27-2014 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by merk_sa
Hoya, your big catch up post and spreadsheet doesn't tell us who is scum. Why do you not have any scum reads on there?

The closest read I see is that you think tweedybirdd might be scum, but you don't even say that.
you missed stanley, but more to the point there's no point in trying to foist a wolf list on you when I have half the thread to read, would be pretty obviously stupid
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03-27-2014 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tappokone
Are we all now using the word "ISO"? Is that how it is?
everyone knows what it means so might as well
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03-27-2014 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
you missed stanley, but more to the point there's no point in trying to foist a wolf list on you when I have half the thread to read, would be pretty obviously stupid
You said stanley's posts were bad, no?
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03-27-2014 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Analstanley
I'd be astonished if John was lynched today. He reminds me of a guy I play with on GPRO, and if he's town then scum should be worried. If he's scum then we should worry cuz I reckon he can talk his way out of anything.

Right now, I see no reason to believe he is scum, but we definitely need to keep a very close eye on him.
@ Palmar

You pointed out this from Anal as being suspicious / noteworthy (as in: You asked him to explain it). Did you get an explanation... And can you tell me why it's noteworthy?
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03-27-2014 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
you missed stanley, but more to the point there's no point in trying to foist a wolf list on you when I have half the thread to read, would be pretty obviously stupid
Wait... but there's a point in assigning four GUARANTEED TOWN LOCKS without reading the thread?

CPHoya

Back to this.
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03-27-2014 , 12:47 PM
serious note - Stop worrying about how people outside the game will perceive you. They think everyone sucks. And honestly - who gives a **** what people on the internet you don't know think about you? I said it on Day 1 but there are 2 games going on right now. One is the actual game in this thread, the other is trying to please people from your home site. The people from my site probably think I'm playing like ass right now and guess what? I don't care. Play ITT!

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Originally Posted by riot.conn
I'm suspect of Mr. thingyman and to a lesser extent Mr. cphoya. I'm seeing Mr. thingyman's defense of Mr. herbiegrd as a possible scum wanting his fellow scum to survive long enough to get replaced instead of lynched. Mr. thingyman's annoyance with Mr. cphoya yesterday evening reads as someone frustrated that the replacement hasn't dissuaded those already suspect of Mr. herbiegrd.

Are those the ideas you were asking about?
That's a stretch. Although Thingy is super active and emotional, I don't see that happening. He's been googoo gaga over the top players from his home site all game, I don't see him suddenly losing adoration and panicking so quick because one of his idols isn't swaying opinion immediately.

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Originally Posted by tappokone
Thingy, if I look up some of your wolf games, will I find you defending struggling wolf bros?
This is irrelevant. These meta questions don't help. Even if someone took the time to carefully read all those games and understand the many variables that make each one unique - you still wouldn't have a large sample size for a strong conclusion. Waste of time.

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Originally Posted by Thingyman
Okay, let me view this from your POV

You're suspicious that I don't want Herbie/Hoya lynched. This is partly because I am only actually reading him neutral. I can see how this can rub some people the wrong way - to some degree.

But, and I'm obviously biased here, I am surprised that you think that I'd be this aggressive and stubborn about it as scum/scum with Hoya. What do I get out of that? It's been made perfectly clear that I wouldn't get any townie points from it even if he flips townie - actually, quite the opposite. It's been made perfectly clear that I would be painted as scum if he flips scum. And it seems like his lynch is a foregone conclusion apparently, so what am I trying to achieve here? I am a scum who is actively trying to get myself lynched? Or I'm a villager who's going with his reads? And even if I WAS a scum, wouldn't I at least just have Hoya as a full on townie rather than keep him as neutral since that constantly seems to be setting people off? And if your theory is that I am scum and that my goal is to distance myself from him, I would've achieved that already on day 1, so why pursue it any further.

You're gonna use that term WIFOM here now or something, but come on, this is super simple. Draw on your own experience to make a conclusion here.

I am just struggling to see what it is that you're really finding suspicious here. I can understand if you're just generally weirded out about the whole thing and that you feel a need to pressure or test me, that's fine, but you need to understand that that IS how I operate (and it's generally how people operate on this forum, so I don't know why VMF is being this way), we believe very strongly in reads. We're a poker forum - it's all about reads. And I as a villager am renowned for trying to clear people. Hopefully some of the other poggers can back this up.
I was going to bring this up post game but w/e. I think you POG people giving Herbie such a large leash is partly why reads are all over the place. The emo fest and excuses are too much. Herbie should have been lynched, and we'd have a clear idea on where to go especially since that bs at the end of day 1. The fact that you swept all of Herbie's garbage under the rug makes me think the only way you're scum going so hard for him/her is that it's a Scum PR you fear losing.


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Originally Posted by Thingyman
My answer wouldn't be very helpful / help me here, because it's more complicated than that, but if you take a look at my wolf games, the difference becomes apparent.

As a wolf, I don't bus. And if I think that I can reasonably defend a wolf, sure, I'll do it. But I have never, once, in my entire mafia career defended a wolf to the extent or in the way that I am defending Herbie/Hoya. Not even close. Not even a little. I do, however, as a villager behave this way about my reads. This will be probably almost immediately apparent upon re-reading either a wolf or villa game of mine. I have never used this many posts on one person in any wolf game of mine.
IRRELEVANT. No wonder we clash. You're a meta player bringing up **** that doesn't matter to this game.

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Originally Posted by merk_sa
Thingyman

I'll give this a whirl. Let me see if I can codify my feelings into a real case.
This post is just so odd. The Thingy heat is building but he shouldn't be a lynch barring some miraculous breakthrough info soon. Keep reading.

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Originally Posted by tappokone
Let's talk about Stanley for a change. Here's his reason for voting for Despo:



Here are the people on the Despo wagon before Arc unclaimed:



Here's Stanley's most recent wolf list:


Mills is the one he keeps pushing in other posts.

What you should be noting here is that none of his wolf leans voted for Despo, yet he claims to think that Despo is a wolf because wolves believed Arc's claim. And he doesn't show any interest in who exactly voted for Despo and which of the voters are the wolves.

So that's wolfy.
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Toppa catches Stanley in a flat out lie here. This should be one of the top wagons asap.


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Originally Posted by Thingyman
Could you provide us with your thoughts on Ace now?

@ Palmar

Have you given up on this game, what's up?
dat tunnel. I'm living in your head rent free.

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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
okay so you are admitting to being wolfy here. i accept these statements. guilty conscience. stagnant reads. agendas. over confidence.

i feel confident on my wolf read on you. if im wrong and i get you mislynched. i will feel motivated to work even harder. i dont think im wrong tho
Sketchy. Doesn't seem like you're reading objectively.

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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
Wolves
CPHoya
Thingyman
DrGonzo25
Tweedybirdd
Analstanley <-----
Tappokone <-----



LOCK IT IN
Tappo brought up a case on Stanley. Unless you believe he's bussing when Stanley has no heat, they can't be Scum together if you're reading the thread. I generally think you've been off the radar and actually somewhat entertaining. But I'm fully reorienting some of my reads and you appear to be forcing things.


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Originally Posted by riot.conn
Would someone else with experience playing with Mr. thingyman comment on the statement made by him that he does not bus fellow scum?
IRRELEVANT.

CPHOYA

The next best wagon is Analstanley which I'm very well thinking might be even better than Hoya. That post shouldn't be ignored as it shows fake content on Stanley's part.

@BWG: Stop the emo ****.
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03-27-2014 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
Here are my current takeaways:

1. Palmar is a lock villager, when I'm dead you better remember this and never lynch him, ever.

2. Mills is a lock villager, when I'm dead you better remember this and never lynch her, ever.

3. Saberwolf is a lock villager, when I'm dead you better remember this and never lynch him, ever.

4. Glotnot is a lock villager, when I'm dead you better remember this and never lynch him, ever.
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
but more to the point there's no point in trying to foist a wolf list on you when I have half the thread to read, would be pretty obviously stupid
I'll just quote this every couple of hours until deadline.
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03-27-2014 , 12:48 PM
encouraging

merk, yes, villagers do things that clear them without me having to read the entire thread, whereas wolves are much harder to find given that all they have to do is not be a complete ****ing ******
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03-27-2014 , 12:49 PM
CpHoya
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03-27-2014 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tappokone
Are we all now using the word "ISO"? Is that how it is?
I'm still not sure that that acronym even stands for. I've figured out others I'm unfamiliar with, but that one continues to elude me.
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03-27-2014 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Thingyman
@ Palmar

You pointed out this from Anal as being suspicious / noteworthy (as in: You asked him to explain it). Did you get an explanation... And can you tell me why it's noteworthy?
If I got one I did not notice.

analstanley has made several atrocious posts and comments throughout the game.

I said at one point he should possibly be the leading lynch, but then I sheeped Crunklord to his lynch until the Aeden fiasco happened (and that **** made me really, really mad. Why the **** was our lynch taken away because of him being an *******?).
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03-27-2014 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by riot.conn
I'm still not sure that that acronym even stands for. I've figured out others I'm unfamiliar with, but that one continues to elude me.
isolate
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03-27-2014 , 12:51 PM
Palmar is a lock villager because his case on McClane required thorough research and quoting (and re-quoting and re-quoting) and knowledge of the thread, and real-time interaction with whoever wanted some about McClane. And because his tone makes it painfully ****ing obvious that he's a villager.

Mills is a lock villager because her frequent reference to her inability to read the whole thread is genuine, and when coupled with her inquiries about methods of making the thread more reasonable to consume it indicates a player who wants to play (from Australia) but is struggling to deal with the thread in a villager-y way. Her tone with my jokes with her yesterday was also obviously villager-y, to the point that I'm totally willing to get played by her seemingly obvious role.

Saberwolf is a completely obvious villager based on the tone of his posts, the content of his posts, his knowledge of the thread, his willingness to do work, his efforts to make idiotic debates useful.

Glotnot is a lock villager based mostly on THE CIRCLE OF LIFE (where no one dies, get it?) but also on the earlier tone of his posts.

I take these reads to be pretty ****ing obvious both separately and in the aggregate, and find it hilarious if you can't understand them.
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03-27-2014 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by riot.conn
I'm still not sure that that acronym even stands for. I've figured out others I'm unfamiliar with, but that one continues to elude me.
think it's short for "isolated", ie reading someone's posts isolated from the thread.

we call it "filter" on TL.
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03-27-2014 , 12:52 PM
And yes, stanley is a strong wolf read. I will remind you that his vote on Palmar is literally the worst post in the thread, so far.
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03-27-2014 , 12:53 PM
Also the flood of votes on me for doing work are just the obvious evidence that I'm the mislynch the wolves have decided they simply must have.
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03-27-2014 , 12:55 PM
@ Ace

If you're a townie, I would like to commend you on not suspecting me. It's a shame that if you're a townie that I'll come off as a super tunnelly villager when I'm not one usually (I do have other suspects and I'm not vehemently yelling "lynch Ace", I would like to interject though). I'm sorry, it may just be the way that you post in a way that doesn't show emotion or any tone that I can read you on. Plus I just have a bunch of townie reads that I feel reasonably good about (in varying degrees), so you just sort of end up in that scum pile almost by POE.
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03-27-2014 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by riot.conn
I'm still not sure that that acronym even stands for. I've figured out others I'm unfamiliar with, but that one continues to elude me.
Isolated read, not really a proper acronym
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03-27-2014 , 12:56 PM
hoaya what exactly is your read on vmf
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03-27-2014 , 12:59 PM
Also consider that I'm wasting my time and taking money out of my pocket (I'm a lawyer with my own firm, I bill time) to do whatever I can to prove that Herbie ****ed this up but was a villager (aka that I am a villager) despite the obvious reality that I'm probably dying like 90% of the time today.

If I were a wolf I'd have the option of shutting it down as an outed wolf, OR of just trying to confuse people by pushing a couple villagers SUPER HARD to make it look like I was trying to bus them, OR (if I thought the game was on this level) pushing a couple wolves SUPER HARD to convince everyone that they are villagers (this would mean I assess the game to be at a really, really low level), or etc.

One thing that does me NO good as a wolf is building my reads around villager reads, because given that I have no credibility right now I can't even use that to clear teammates. Everything I could do to clear teammates as a semi-outed wolf would require me going HAM at people. I don't really want to do that.

merk, of course, finds that wolfy, but then he would, he's been pushing Herbie since page 3.
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03-27-2014 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
Also the flood of votes on me for doing work are just the obvious evidence that I'm the mislynch the wolves have decided they simply must have.
this obviously isn't how wolf teams typically think and you know it

ofc it's +ev for wolves to lynch good players, it just doesn't happen like you seem to imply
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03-27-2014 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tweedybirdd
hoaya what exactly is your read on vmf
...

I think I've said he's probably a villager like 4 times.
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03-27-2014 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
Also consider that I'm wasting my time and taking money out of my pocket (I'm a lawyer with my own firm, I bill time) to do whatever I can to prove that Herbie ****ed this up but was a villager (aka that I am a villager) despite the obvious reality that I'm probably dying like 90% of the time today.

If I were a wolf I'd have the option of shutting it down as an outed wolf, OR of just trying to confuse people by pushing a couple villagers SUPER HARD to make it look like I was trying to bus them, OR (if I thought the game was on this level) pushing a couple wolves SUPER HARD to convince everyone that they are villagers (this would mean I assess the game to be at a really, really low level), or etc.

One thing that does me NO good as a wolf is building my reads around villager reads, because given that I have no credibility right now I can't even use that to clear teammates. Everything I could do to clear teammates as a semi-outed wolf would require me going HAM at people. I don't really want to do that.

merk, of course, finds that wolfy, but then he would, he's been pushing Herbie since page 3.
villagers dont think about what theyd do as a wolf
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03-27-2014 , 01:02 PM
But to elaborate since you refuse to do any work but love to get touchy-feely about reads, he's bad enough that this is totally normal and his frustration is also totally normal. Even his contradicting himself BLATANTLY about how I play is totally normal. This is a dude who is the walking embodiment of the "all evidence supports my opinions, no evidence discredits them" approach to werewolf.

That siad, and this is small, BEFORE I was in the game - which undeniably has an impact on his meta - a couple of his posts came off pretty awkward and formulaic, I believe Mills pointed this out but I might be wrong about who pointed it out. It was true, whoever that was.
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