I suppose packing numerous bowls is, to be fair, a tenable explanation.

Whoops, forgot to mention something about the Arcbell thing earlier- I didn't see all that much that looked scummy from Ace before, but his reaction to the gambit was really bad. He pointed out how it was almost certain Arc was lying, and yet still voted me, plus he even took away the opportunity to see if Arc continued the lie about how he got the viewing by showing that it would have had to happen before Crunkus got his role pm. That was an extremely antitown move, so Ace is either scum or a derptown. I almost wanna say it would be too obvious for him to be scummates with Arcbell, but eh that's wifom anyways.

I'm sure there's a lot more I meant to point out, but eh hopefully I'll cover more tonight. Toodles.

Despo that was a longass post but I'll help you out on this front: Herbie is gone, I replaced him. Discuss.

You're not going back in because you want to. Hardly any fun.


Okay, Genie. Tell you what. You seem real torn up about this, and it's got me in knots, sweetheart.

You play along, you go ahead and give me a read of yourself, and I'll take you out of the circle. How's that sound?

Seriously? This is the circle? Right.

This could of been a slip. If it was a slip, it means both monstr and arcbell are scum together, so if one of them flips evil, the other one should be checked out IMO.

I didn't like this statement because I feel like that's setting Thingy up for the fall and makes stupid sense, especially when people were popping out theories that made Thingy scum no matter what alignment Herbie was to flip. Monstr wasn't the only one to do this, but it made me suspicious of him when he posted it.

There was also the monstr/genie debate. There are too many quotes to go through to post them, but essentially genie claims that magicziggy was throwing out scum leans, and monstr stepped in to defend ziggy and state that genie was misrepping him. This becomes a minor clash, which then results in monstr getting a little emotional in his posting, but the escalation in which the emotion came seemed too big to swallow.


Now despite all of this, now that I've actually ISOed monstr, I'm not as confident as him being scum. I wouldn't go as far as to say he is town, because I haven't seen anything that would put him in my town circle even after rereading him, but after my read I've noticed what pings I got off him are minor compared to his overall portfolio, so to speak. His reads have been consistent and made known, and that is something I do appreciate. He's made his stance known about being pro-ace, and anti-herbie/genie and given mixed reads about the others.

One thing that did ping me was his statement of post #809 "wants people to consider genie and herbie, "wants as many people considered as possible before lynch"" but when it came to voting aedan, he did it because he was pouting over people not taking his ace read seriously and claimed to do it just to make sure it wasn't ace, a tone that didn't seem to reflect his desire to make sure everyone was given consideration before lynch.

I think in summary, monstr would not come close to making my good list yet, but I think my opinion of him was grossly overstated in my mind over a couple of posts. I hope that makes sense.

That's all I've got to say on monstrman

I've given you 300+ posts and you still can't read me

That is quite an amazing feat.

really liking your posts despo. keep up the good work.

in lord of the rings wolf game i posted 255 times just at must lynch. lol. are u saying u are a bad wolf who cant spam?

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY ACE_TL HAS BEEN REPLACED IN THE CIRCLE BY CAPT. KIWI

Oh I mixed the colors up.

Eh whatever no one was paying attention anyway.

Yes, that is what I am saying

Jesus... No, I am saying: You have 300+ posts from me to read me on. And you still can't read me. As in: I've provided tons of stuff for you to read me on. There should be plenty of villagery stuff in there. But nope, not getting through to you.

Honestly, and you've even seen me as wolf in your previous two games with me, if you at this point not only don't have me as townie, but even have me as one of your top scum reads... Then... I mean, I don't wanna say anything insulting, but I'm just amazed, let's leave it at that.

Roll up roll up, Glotnot's 3 ring circus is in town!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCiG7xoEb2Y

lol you are funny

"im not gonna insult you" but read between the lines. IM INSULTING YOU

i dont know how anyone who is a good wolf can take this attitude as a villager.

you are being fake regardless of what role you are. either you are a villager and faking that you are a bad wolf and have no respect for your wolf game


or you are a wolf downplaying your wolf game

either way,. stopbeing so fake and be genine

if someone wants to call me a wolf. go ahead. im proud of my wolf game. i think im borderline unreadable

i would not insult someone for calling me a wolf unless i felt extremely spewed clear by dead wolves

this is a game of champions.. not a game of people who become obvious villagers after 300 posts and insults anyone who sees otherwise

@ Despo

You still around?

You wanna ask me any questions?

Thing is, I'm about to go to bed, but I don't wanna seem like I'm dodging your "case". There's not really much in there for me to comment on... And I'm too tired to try to figure out if it's villagery of you to say all that.

I will respond to these two things:

"He has hard defended some peeps at various times for obscure or weak reasoning, and when this reasoning is picked apart he still tries clinging to his town read of the person instead of letting his reads develop more organically. I think he is worried about looking like he's flip flopping on some of his reads."

<<< Right. That's just how I operate. I don't believe my reasoning to be bad, but I'm not surprised that many of you people from other sites aren't convinced by it. It is what it is. And yes, I'm a stubborn person, and if I believe someone is doing something townie, I cling to that as long as I don't have reason to not do that. But you seem to be missing here that I have several times this game actually leaned townie on someone and then withdrawn that read. Examples are tweedy, tappo, Analstanley, merk_sa. So yeah, this actually just isn't true.

"coming to the defense of townies to try and earn towncred, while mainly gunning for more inactive folks."

<<< I mean, yes, I defend townies. That's what I do. Read my bio. And as for gunning for inactive folks... There you have the explanation for one of your other concerns: That I've made posts suggesting that maybe my town list isn't completely clean, because it IS quite a coincidence that most of them are the top posting people. Usually at least one scum sneaks into that top posting list, so I'm trying to root out that person.

arcbell and john mcclaine confirmed lurking. might want to turn invis

Spoil sport. I was enjoying knowing when McClane was around.

I've been at a company function for the past 5-6 hours, doing a 20 page catchup 2 without reading the most recent page...

I don't care who is what alignment, this is a ****bag thing to do as the guy who recruited - leveraging the meta ONLY you would have awareness of, it's like you are saying "trust me".

I trust nobody. If you face was within 10 feet of me, I'd shove my ****ing fist through it. Bad sportsmanship.

WTF is this nerd ****. Are you leaning town or scum on Merk?

Well, that's just ****ing great. What a ***, why did this guy sign up in the first place. I was reluctant as hell, but I said "yes" and I've given it every spare second I can. Despite the fact that I think the play in this game is awful and I'd literally never sign up for a game with the majority of you again. I'm still here, giving you whatever spare time I can...

and this fagola is bowing out because "he doesn't like it"? WTF. Champion mafia my ****ing ass... I literally regret this waste of time more every time I log on.

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Good. At least you get the whole animated gif part of mafia.

**** you for this WIFOM, I didn't expect you to lean on it so immediately. Bush league.

Reading...

I'm not being disingenious.

I am not saying that I can't post a lot as a wolf.

To provide everyone with full information I will even make everyone aware that my top posting game was a wolf game (on both my Danish site as well as this one). And the game where I had the largest % of total posts in thread was a different wolf game of mine.

And someone once did a thing where they checked how much people post in both roles: I scored a perfect 1.0 ratio on that. So yeah, post activity is completely neutral.

So now that we got that out of the way... What I am saying is: I wouldn't actually be able to be this villagery as a wolf. Especially after a hiatus of several months. Meta-wise this will mean nothing to most people in this game, but you have played with me as a wolf. I was active in those games. But I bet if you actually took a look at how I posted, you'd find that there's a massive difference.

@ McClane

The player introductions include links to all the sites. Everyone can easily to go each other's sites and look at people's games. Someone actually already looked at one of YOUR wolf games from YOUR site - why isn't this upsetting you?

Yes, my favorite poster! What do you want me to say about stupid reasoning other than (a) it's stupid and (b) an explanation if why?

Also **** you for this UNCHECKED AGGRESSION, pretty bush league to wish I would've rolled over and taken the mislynch like Herbie wanted to.

how am i supposed to read this as not disingenuous? what have you done this game that you could not as a wolf?

NO WOLF HAS DIED. so i would say you havent proven to do anything pro village yet. i havent either

we are all just shouting things. NOTHING IS PROVEN yet

glotnot is the only one i fully trust as a villager

you're really annoying me

are you seriously still not understanding me?

I am not friggin' saying that you should read me townie based on me having 300 posts. I am saying you should read me townie based on me having posted 300 times, meaning that there should be plenty in there that's villagery. Ofc this only holds true for you because you've played with me before.

I think I see the misunderstanding. John, I haven't talked about any meta that is not public information.

WTF was the point of saying any of this.

Sabermafia didn't present his list of scum? No. NO. NOOOOOOOO!!!

Who ****ing cares. Smart scum (which I'd expect in expert level game, which this isn't) would give a list and probably mix in every one of their scum mates to distance in case they get busted.

Jesus Christ, this game is literally going to make me worse at playing.

Next time you feel like posting this type of ******ry, shut your ****ing mouth instead. It's a meaningless post full of obvious. If I had vig ability I'd shoot you 817 times.

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WTF is this ****?

This is a really long post that sums up you being confused about pretty much everyone. Thanks. Very helpful. I bet the rest of these dolts love it because it's a big long list full of nothing, and as long as you get the big long list part right, the substance part doesn't ****ing matter.

Obvious scum is obvious.