Do you think anyone is doing these things?

The line you quote from yourself is the EXACT instance of buddying.

Let me rephrase: "OMG I can't believe anyone things Lissa is scum she's so awesome I love her NOOOOO I must save herrrrrrrr!"

That's buddying. I wasn't accusing you if doing it--that was self-evident. I was asking you WHY you did it.

And you have yet to provide an answer.

Catching up and I think I'll have time to find a better vote so for now:

Unvote

because I'd rather lynch wolves than villagers

is this an unreasonable concept for you??

You could have responded with that answer, but you didn't. Why not?

That post was a huge red flag -- easily the biggest of any post by anyone all game. Clearly you, and others, disagree. Must be forum differences. The only time town at f.ds displays that sort of behavior is:

1) cop result.
2) announced IC.
3) confirmable townslip.

Well yes

Super scummy post.

notquitethere,

What caused Jrdrylie to plummet to the 6th position on your list after you had been voting him for so long? Even when explaining your list it seems like you still maintain the same suspicion on him.

probably don't agree with this, like it might depend on the habit i guess

locking yourself into an old habit that prevents you from contributing meaningfully seems like it would be more mafia motivated than town motivated

and generally i think as town you would be more open in a game like this where you've played with nobody

like he did say he was going to try to be more open about it but then he didn't and wrote an entire essay about it

Honestly, I think I was away from the game for a bit when that got posted. When I saw it and saw the purposeful error of the first read, I discounted most of the rest of it except for an order of players Town to Scum. I actually kind of like the basic order, except that I'm on the wrong end of it. But then several players seem to be turning that way now.

Last I checked, and only as a general feel and no doubt partial listing,

Jr has Phoenicks, No Lynches, and ashersky as the Scum team.
notquitethere has ashersky, spruce, and Kawamii as the Scum team.
Riki has the team as from ashersky, spruce, Lissa2, and Gnaw.
No Lynches has it from Jrdrylie, ashersky, Phoenicks, Mashii, and Kawamii.
Mashii has it from spruce, ashersky, Kawamii, Phoenicks, and nolemon.
Lissa2 has it from spruce, Jrdrylie, nqt, and ashersky.
nolemon has it from Jrdrylie, ashersky, and Kawamii
And, I, spruce have it from Mashii, nqt, ashersky, and soah.

I don't think Kami and Mashi could be Scum together, and I don't think soah and ashersky could be Scum together, and maybe one other pairing I'm still studying.

because I don't respond to rhetorical questions

Who

what was the point of this post lol

After you posted yours a lot of other players posted theirs. I don't play on websites where readslists are common before day 2, so I'm wondering -- do you think anyone was trying to look townish by copying you?

it kind of does look like you read heavily into the ashersky vote

plus you think ashersky is scum too, just feels like a weird thing to harp on

i doubt it

also there were a couple of reads lists that were posted before mine iirc (jrdrylie and spruce)

Soah mostly.

I wouldn't trust him

@lissa2 -- you asked if my Jrd view has morphed. I don't think his last 24 hours have been particularly useful. He hasn't done anything to allow a read to be formed, which in itself is something.

I'd put him on the scum side of absolute null. Not town, but not super mafia.

I don't like this post at all. The entire "Soah is buddying" campaign is more than a little manipulative, especially when this is all asher posts to back up the accusation. Why are you pushing 'Soah is buddying Lissa' so lazily?

Does everyone have asher as an evil read? Anyone here read him as good?

like for example notquitethere, lissa, no lynches (kind of) had all been asked for reads lists

like yeah they were posted so that other players could get a better read on them (i.e. townread them) but it's pretty doubtful they only did it to copy me

Jrdrylie

Then I guess my big question about your reads list is: why asher and spruce? Their interactions don't look anything to me like scum vs. scum, but there is the manipulative element of scum vs. town.

No way, I think, would Spruce push the 'Soah is buddying' line quite so hard if they were both scum. Do you think they are?