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11-18-2013 , 07:25 PM

#51

white_lytning

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 552

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Originally Posted by sba9630

Joe Brennan Jr
‏@joebrennanjr

US Congress: If a casino owner, investigated for bribing foreign officials, started a public morals campaign, would you listen to him?

^This is good.

I think some us have forgotten the whole Foreign Corrupt Practice Act thing. For your reading and viewing pleasure:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...and-macau.html
http://www.npr.org/2012/07/16/156869...macau-dealings

I think any talk of a boycott should be focused on the Deep Stacks events. They put the Venetian on the map and will hurt it the most. I think the strategy you guys have been discussing is a good start. Get the pros and the industry on board. It shouldn't be a difficult sell.

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11-18-2013 , 08:08 PM

#52

TheDarkElf

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,667

I would like to suggest another front in this fight, namely the rights of individual states. Adelson's objections are largely moralistic sounding. But traditionally each state has been given the responsibility of determining morality.

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11-18-2013 , 08:49 PM

#53

kk405

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,444

There should be an uproar on Twitter with all the pros and non-pros hashtagging Venetian, sand and boycotting their places and events, but I don't see anything... I think getting a major movement on Twitter will be very effective.

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11-18-2013 , 10:23 PM

#54

repulse

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Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,070

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Originally Posted by PPAdc

It goes beyond the bloomberg interview. i was told by the Wash Post reporter that the Sands spokespeople singled out Internet poker as a particularly harmful enterprise that is subject to additiction, fraud and abuse.

John A. Pappas
PPA, ED

Thanks, John. I do feel like it makes a difference if poker's actually in his/Sands' talking points versus just being something he reacted to when actively prompted about it on Bloomberg.

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Originally Posted by TheEngineer

He's clearly got poker on his mind, though, and he has talking points at the ready. It shows that we have an idea what his lobbyists are saying, and it also shows us that it's not going to be a poker vs. casino-style gaming thing (and, if it is, we'd probably be on the wrong side of that).

Adelson probably sees poker as the camel's nose under the tent. We're the ones who are active and we're the ones getting legislation introduced. Slowing down poker will slow down the whole thing.

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Originally Posted by TheEngineer

I didn't say he's focusing on poker exclusively. I said he specifically hostile to us. I believe he's quite hostile to the broader gaming issue.

All that being said, I concur that, IMO, he'll be treating poker as homogenous with "gambling".

Fair enough and good points. Thanks again.

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11-18-2013 , 10:24 PM

#55

GJS70

Fighting the Good Fight

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 5,750

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Originally Posted by kk405

I have a twitter list of poker pros almost ready to go. I need to add a few more current names. I'm not sure where I should post it though, here itt or in a new thread in PL. Suggestions?

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11-19-2013 , 04:36 AM

#56

Rich Muny

Former PPA VP

Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 28,236

I'd start it here GJS and see where it goes. We can always expand it into a new thread if it's needed.

Thanks!

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11-19-2013 , 04:46 AM

#57

cpar1

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 541

Sheldon Adelson is a cancer to our freedom. Sold all of my Sands stock and will never step foot in their casinos again.

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11-19-2013 , 08:10 AM

#58

GJS70

Fighting the Good Fight

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 5,750

Most of this list was put together by Sluggger5x and others in 09/11. I added a few more current players to the list.

**These links are not pre-filled links, just the links to their twitter accounts, so you'll need to cut and paste your message.

Pros

Antonio Esfandiari Twitter
Doyle Brunson Twitter
Jamie Gold Twitter
John Juanda Twitter
Michael Mizrachi Twitter
Joe Hachem Twitter
Scotty Nguyen Twitter

Phil Hellmuth Jr Twitter
Carlos Mortensen Twitter
Allen Cunningham Twitter
Jonathan Duhamel Twitter
Gus Hansen Twitter
Joe Cada Twitter
Bertrand Grospellier Twitter
David Williams Twitter
Paul Wasicka Twitter
Barry Greenstein Twitter
Tom McEvoy Twitter

Amnon Filippi Twitter
Jennifer Harman Twitter
Hevad Khan Twitter
Phil Laak Twitter
Mark Seif Twitter
Blair Rodman Twitter
Prahlad Friedman Twitter
Phil Ivey Twitter
Faraz Jaka Twitter
Allen Kessler Twitter
Steve Brecher Twitter
Oliver Busquet Twitter
Kenny Tran Twitter
David Plastik Twitter

Chip Jett Twitter
Karina Jett Twitter
Liv Boeree Twitter
Peter Jetten Twitter
Haralabos Voulgaris Twitter
Bryan Devonshire Twitter
Cliff Josephy Twitter
Adam Levy Twitter
David Sklansky Twitter
Jean-Robert Bellande Twitter

Maria Ho Twitter
Kristy Gazes Twitter
Todd Witteles Twitter
Jim McManus Twitter
Michael Binger Twitter
Eugene Katchalov Twitter
Greg "Fossilman" Raymer Twitter
Mike Matusow Twitter
Jason Mercier Twitter
Johnny Chan Twitter

Dave "Devilfish" Ulliott Twitter
Humberto Brenes Twitter
Kathy Liebert Twitter
Hoyt Corkins Twitter
Gavin Smith Twitter
Darvin Moon Twitter
Tatjana Pasalic Twitter
Daniel Alaei Twitter
Dennis Phillips Twitter
Jeff Lisandro Twitter
Roland de Wolfe Twitter
Nenad Medic Twitter
Jonathan Little Twitter
Joseph Cheong Twitter
Miami John Cernuto Twitter

Barry Shulman Twitter
Sorel Mizzi Twitter
Joe Bartholdi Twitter
Scott Seiver Twitter
Lee Watkinson Twitter
Layne Flack Twitter
Robert Mizrachi Twitter
David Singer Twitter
Shannon Shorr Twitter
Marcel Luske Twitter
Matthew Glantz Twitter
Eric Baldwin Twitter
Brandon Cantu Twitter
Chris Moneymaker Twitter
Chad Brown Twitter
Todd Brunson Twitter
Ben Lamb Twitter
Kenna James Twitter

Vanessa Rousso Twitter
Isaac Haxton Twitter
John Racener Twitter
Lex Veldhuis Twitter

Guy Laliberte Twitter
Nicky Frangos Twitter
Liz Lieu Twitter
Erik Seidel Twitter
Daniel Negreanu Twitter
Patrik Antonius Twitter

Ryan ReissTwitter
Katie DozierTwitter
Jamie KerstetterTwitter
JC TranTwitter
David BenefieldTwitter
Jay FarberTwitter
Greg MersonTwitter
Jeremy AusmusTwitter
Jason KoonTwitter
JP KellyTwitter
Jason SentiTwitter
Danielle AndersonTwitter

Last edited by PokerXanadu; 11-19-2013 at 11:00 AM. Reason: fix Laak link

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11-19-2013 , 09:01 AM

#59

GJS70

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I'm sending: Major well-funded attack to ban igaming/ipoker in US. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sheldon-adelson-top-2012-donor-launching-campaign-against-internet-gambling/2013/11/17/d70054f6-4e40-11e3-be6b-d3d28122e6d4_story.html … Please RT! #BoycottVenetian #Fight4Poker

If you want to want use this, you need to insert your own link to the article. The article link won't pick up with just copying and pasting the above.

Last edited by Rich Muny; 11-21-2013 at 02:49 AM. Reason: fixed article URL

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11-19-2013 , 09:52 AM

#60

PokerXanadu

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Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 10,583

Great work GJ.

Here's what I'm tweeting:

@LasVegasSands CEO Adelson wants prohibition for #iPoker: http://*******/PfVfmJ Boycott @VenetianPoker now! Retweet this.

Note: Here is working short URL - remove the spaces: http:// goo. gl/PfVfmJ

Last edited by PokerXanadu; 11-19-2013 at 10:05 AM.

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11-19-2013 , 10:32 AM

#61

IIILiquid

enthusiast

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 62

Got the tweets.

BOYCOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

DO NOT SPEND ANOTHER PENNY!

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11-19-2013 , 11:19 AM

#62

PokerXanadu

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Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 10,583

Anyone want to help cobble together a boycott web site? I can host it and install something like Wordpress. Will need content and web design.

I think the content should include:

Reference studies on how expansion of Internet gambling don't increase compulsive gambling rates.
News and references about Adelson's shady casino operations (fines for underage gambling, criminal connections, etc.)
Other Adelson immorality (call to nuke, etc.)
Articles and legal precedence distinguishing poker from casino gambling.
List of LV Sands properties with poker to boycott.
Talking points (as I listed above), with expansion into articles.

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11-19-2013 , 12:34 PM

#63

TBadr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,669

The guy that wants to look out for the little guy threatens to cancelling eurovegas unless smoking is allowed?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...moking-casinos

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11-19-2013 , 12:57 PM

#64

Doc T River

Master of the Edit Line

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 13,059

If you are boycotting the Venetian as I am, be sure to write the Venetian and let them know that you are doing it and the reason why.

If you boycott and don't write them, they won't know the why.

As I am boycotting not only Sands properties, but a specific attraction in the Venetian, I am writing the company that runs the attraction too.

The fiancee was a little saddened that we won't be re-engaged on the gondola ride but as a fellow poker player she understands.

Last edited by Doc T River; 11-19-2013 at 01:03 PM.

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11-19-2013 , 01:07 PM

#65

GJS70

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Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 5,750

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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu

Thats a great idea. I'd help with finding articles for the site to post.

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11-19-2013 , 01:21 PM

#66

crabbyface

banned

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 454

will be boycotting all sands properties

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11-19-2013 , 02:16 PM

#67

Doc T River

Master of the Edit Line

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 13,059

I know it's hard, but if you write them keep it civil. This is a suggestion to others and a reminder to myself as I have a pretty good command of the vulgar language.

And this hypocritic stand by Adelson really tweaks me.

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11-19-2013 , 02:43 PM

#68

GJS70

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc T River

I so agree with this Doc. Let our opponents make these types of mistakes, and we can explain our position in a rational manner. The facts support us (increased jobs; substantial revenue; consumer protections to players and help for problem gamblers; freedom for adults to spend their money how they see fit; poker is a skill-based game; safely regulated in other countries for over a decade, etc.). We don't have to be rude to get these points across, and it makes the poker community and our stance look that much stronger.

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11-19-2013 , 03:48 PM

#69

Richas

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Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,440

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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu

You've had my 8 page missive on problem gambling and what has happened in the UK before. I can rework it if you like but I'd need a steer.

The UK case study could do with an update as the latest data is even better for our case but there is new data due next month too. It could be made a lot pithier.

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11-19-2013 , 04:53 PM

#70

PokerXanadu

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Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 10,583

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Originally Posted by GJS70

Thats a great idea. I'd help with finding articles for the site to post.

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Originally Posted by Richas

Thanks! Those will help with content. But before going ahead, I need some firm volunteer commitments from others to do the web design, page writing, etc. Just not something I can take care of myself at the moment.

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11-19-2013 , 05:11 PM

#71

PokerXanadu

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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu

I got temporarily suspended from Twitter for sending this to everyone on the list. I suspect it was due to doing @LasVegasSands and @VenetianPoker in every one, instead of just hashtag #LasVegasSands and #VenetianPoker. Those twitter accounts must have reported me after receiving 107 identical tweets in a row. LOL.

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11-19-2013 , 05:43 PM

#72

DrMickHead

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,947

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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu

haha well I just did the same so let them suspend me. I don't mind.

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11-19-2013 , 05:55 PM

#73

GJS70

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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu

You're such a rebel, PX. I only sent to half the list this morning and will do the other half this evening. I was afraid of getting twitter-banned too, but you're right, it's probably the @sites that got you in trouble.

On the Web page, I don't have any experience with web design, so hopefully someone steps forward to help with that part.

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11-19-2013 , 06:31 PM

#74

DefendTheCult

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,934

This guy is such a weasel. It's obvious why he is against online gaming. Any average person knows that gaming heads aren't the best of individuals, and hopefully this won't go very far in the long run of things. He is still a major threat.

Going to be in Vegas in a few weeks and you bet your ass I won't be going to the V or Palazzo. Protest out front?

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11-19-2013 , 06:50 PM

#75

Bad Luck Brian

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 265

Sorry for my ignorance, but I dont understand his vehement opposition to online poker. Hasn't is been proving that online and B&M are complementary industries, not competitive ones? Also, even if that isn't the case, lost revenue from their poker room certainly wouldn't exceed the amount of money this guy's spending on it. This whole thing almost seems like it's some sort of personal vendetta.

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