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I'm not actually referring to that post in particular, but rather his blog generally. This race issue aside, I suspect you'll find it interesting. Perhaps not: to each their own.

I think I read part of another article from there, and it was just as overly wordy without getting to a point before I ran out of patience.

06-26-2017 , 08:47 PM

#827

gregorio

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Howard, I will give another one of his articles a try if I can find one on a topic I don't have strong feelings about. In the meantime, have you read this? I think it gets across a similar point about calling people racist in a much more reader-friendly style.

06-26-2017 , 09:45 PM

#828

Howard Treesong

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Originally Posted by gregorio

I'll see if I can find one and recommend it. I do read Vox from time to time but I had not seen that piece. I don't like some of the assumptions in the intro but I absolutely agree with the main point.

@greg: I don't know if you agree or not but I try to find common ground with debate opponents and constrain the terms when I can. It's not that I'm afraid of the other issues, but rather that it is too hard to find common ground on them and they are thus not productive.

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06-26-2017 , 10:07 PM

#829

gregorio

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I read his piece on MDMA, ketamine and psych meds, which was interesting but that a much smaller scope and pretty straightforward. I thought I'd give this one a try.

I do not enjoy debating people, nor do I enjoy discussing politics, and the combination of the two is something I try to avoid. Arguing with people in NVG is often entertaining, though, because of the mind-blowing stupidity of some of the posts there, and it's not so much a debate as a mockery.

06-26-2017 , 10:26 PM

#830

BroadwaySushy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

The sure supported it with their votes.

Nope.

06-26-2017 , 10:28 PM

#831

Howard Treesong

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I quite enjoy a rousing political debate with friends over dinner. It can be an occasion for great good humor and fun, so long as nobody gets dogmatic or emotional.

You're right that NVG debates are a beast of a different character.

06-26-2017 , 10:40 PM

#832

Lattimer

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Why was nothing done about this?

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Originally Posted by Riverman

It's racism. You are a racist mouthbreathing dumb ****. I'm done with sympathy, just **** off and die.

06-26-2017 , 11:33 PM

#833

zikzak

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gregorio

Arguing with people in NVG is often entertaining, though, because of the mind-blowing stupidity of some of the posts there, and it's not so much a debate as a mockery.

This is a good 20% of what the Politics forum is. Back in the libertarian heyday it was like 60-70%.

06-26-2017 , 11:55 PM

#834

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lattimer

Why was nothing done about this?

Well, you can ask Tom his excuse, but I was out having fun in San Francisco on a lovely Saturday afternoon, so I must have just dismissed the email notification without really looking at it and then forgotten about it.

06-27-2017 , 12:00 AM

#835

Loki

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does lend credence to my suggestion that the forum needs more mod staff

p7 has at most 1/3rd the posters of p main, but also 50% more mods!

06-27-2017 , 12:01 AM

#836

kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

Nope.

Yes they do. Regardless of why they voted for Trump, they most definitely supported a racist, populist agenda which turned just the weeist bit fascist. Sorry if you don't like that part of his platform, but you are supporting it.

06-27-2017 , 01:17 AM

#837

Shame Trolly !!!1!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

This is a good 20% of what the Politics forum is. Back in the libertarian heyday it was like 60-70%.

This. It still amazes me that that shiz just up and (almost) completely disappeared here.

06-27-2017 , 01:20 AM

#838

Loki

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i'm sure they all found their way to alt-right message boards or whatever, where they could safely debate how the civil war was wrong to their hearts' content

06-27-2017 , 01:30 AM

#839

BroadwaySushy

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Originally Posted by kerowo

But what if they don't believe his agenda is racist?

06-27-2017 , 01:42 AM

#840

Loki

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then they either don't know what racism is, don't know what his agenda is, or both

06-27-2017 , 01:55 AM

#841

BroadwaySushy

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I know what racism is and I know what his agenda is, but I don't believe his agenda is racist.

06-27-2017 , 02:56 AM

#842

spaceman Bryce

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

I think forum discussions will continue to be a source of frustration for you until you can find a way to get past this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce

Well for me personally I have problems judging people based on something other than who is nice and who is mean to me. So anyway I don't know why goofyballer doesnt like to talk to me but I made something at my grocery store today for a poster who is nice to me.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Howard Treesong

Why on earth would anyone want to kill you, Bryce?

Howard I sincerely hope all is well with you and your family. I hope you are feeling great and non murderous today.

06-27-2017 , 04:48 AM

#843

Bobo Fett

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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...o-t-chat-1494/

06-27-2017 , 07:24 AM

#844

Howard Treesong

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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce

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Howard I sincerely hope all is well with you and your family. I hope you are feeling great and non murderous today.

Thanks, Bryce, we're well. And definitely non-murderous! Hope you're the same.

06-27-2017 , 09:13 AM

#845

Gin 'n Tonic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

So broad brush attacks on Trump supporters OK, because his agenda might be perceived as racist, but broad brush attacks on Muslims not OK, even though their beliefs and practices are (for example) generally misogynist?

You guys are amazing.

06-27-2017 , 09:33 AM

#846

Loki

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

I know what racism is and I know what his agenda is, but I don't believe his agenda is racist.

What do you think racism is, and what do you think his agenda is?

06-27-2017 , 09:34 AM

#847

kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

I know what racism is and I know what his agenda is, but I don't believe his agenda is racist.

You're wrong.

06-27-2017 , 09:39 AM

#848

kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gin 'n Tonic

His rhetoric was racist. It doesn't matter what you feel about it. Calling the Muslim religion misogynist seems fine, calling any particular Muslim misogynist not so much. All Muslims are not any one thing but Muslim. All Trump supporters supported Trump, who got elected running a racist campaign.

06-27-2017 , 09:46 AM

#849

Mr.mmmKay

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gin 'n Tonic

The difference is that all supporters of a political party mostly agree with the policies of that party while not all members of a religion support the policies of certain misogynistic countries where that religion is the majority.

Like it makes sense to say that all Nazis hate Jews. But that doesn't make it ok to say for example that all Hindus are criminals.