Reading this thread has become a huge drag. These threads were really enjoyable 1-2 years ago, and didn't function as a place where every new poster could write some puerile ******** or endlessly recycled meme or start a personal bitchfest with another poster for no reason other than they root for different players than one another.

I think a lot of people who have contributed a lot to these threads (or would contribute if the standard of discourse were above kindergarten level) are being turned off by the relentless tide of stupid crap. e.g. Jamie Platinum - http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2227

gordo16 (well known HS player who's posted in the thread fairly often i think) responded essentially that reasonableness and common sense cannot win and we should give up and let the thread become a cesspit - http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2253

I hope this is not the case. I dunno what viable options there are to fix this problem but possibilities might be:

- Having an alternative HS thread that only posters registered longer than a year can use.
- A lot more modding (possibly appointing exclusive mods just for that thread? It's got to be one of the most read on 2p2)
- Users using the 'report post' button more
- ???

Are any of these plausible? Are there any better suggestions?

A lot more of this would help.

Sorry, but I have to laugh. On the one hand, there are folks who complain about Rapini using too heavy a hand in modding B&M - just to prevent this sort of thing from happening in the first place.

On the other hand, there are folks who wish Rapini style modding would be done where it hasn't been.

Somedays, it just isn't worth gnawing through the restraints, it seems.

Lee

why cant there be a thread for only HHs and a thread for discussion?

I infract quite a lot in that thread and would be happy to infract more. Report away!

There would need to be specified HH posters who get access to the HH thread while others don't, which might be a logistical problem. Or a mod would need to x-post the HHs out of the main thread, which would work fine but probably be a lot of tedious work for the mod. But in principle yes I like this idea fine. Ideally (imo) the thread should still have discussion in it, just somewhat sensible and courteous discussion, but if that is too unrealistic, a separate HH thread would be good.

I frequent the NVG HS Thread and TBH it has gone absolutely downhill since Isildur1 was signed by PStars. It used to be about posting HH's for 10k+ pots but now it's turned into the Isildur1 thread with all of his fanboys constantly fighting with others (sometimes eachother)

It's become harder and harder to have good posts in that thread. It used to be about knowing whos up and down how much and how they played a hand etc (yeah a little strat in NVG didn't kill anyone) but now it's turned into a hatred for Brian Hastings and basically anyone who plays Isildur1.

Frankly, the guy isn't very good anyways. He was on a huge heater, lost it all, goes on another heater and then loses it all (rinse and repeat).

Most of the people that post in that thread don't even know how to play PLO and it is completely standard for Isildur1's AAxx to lose to 5678ds.

I agree there should be thread that maybe 5-6 ppl could have access to simply to just post hands. Jamie Platinum was our hand historian and now these little kids scared him away!!!

/rant

A seperate isildur highstakes thread would be good. That way all the fanboys can find all of the isildur hands/gossip/talk in there and then the normal high stakes thread is for all other high stakes talk/hands

I frequently used to rail the games and occasionally post HH. I agree with the sentiments sump posted. The thread used to be cool just to follow all the various nosebleed games and maybe talk about hands. Now it's turned into 4k Isildur pots and fanboys gone nutso. If reporting posts helps I will definitely step that up.

"There would need to be specified HH posters who get access to the HH thread while others don't, which might be a logistical problem. "

I think people are pretty good about **official** threads. if its made clear that the thread is only for HHs and youre banned if you post commentary in the thread i think people will figure it out.

+1

You are also one of the main reasons why the thread has any substance left.

Masq, chinz, yourself and a few others do a good job in that thread.

The rest of the bozos with Jan/Feb 2011 reg dates are what bring the thread downhill.

I watched poker edge report some posts and I think I infracted only one of them. Thanks for the reports, edge, it helped me understand what you felt was good or bad about the thread content.

However, there is a discrepancy in what is being reported versus what is against the rules. To clarify:

People posting nothing but insults of other posters I am 100% fine with infracting, and have.

People who stray slightly off topic because someone posts chat logs of the high stakes games and people talk about that, while I personally dislike, is not against the rules, not horribly off topic, and very difficult to infract for.

I agree with you guys for the most part. I personally think there should be a heavily moderated "news" forum, and then a kind of "railbird" forum, where people can go be fan boys and gossip and talk crap about their favorite players.

But there isn't, and I can't start moderating NVG like there suddenly is.

Unsurprisingly, most of the time crappy new users were crappy old posters who were banned for crappy posting.

What the thread probably needs is a Kevmath-type 24/7 modbot with the ability to check IPs and bounce any new regged poster who matches with any banned accounts. It takes only a few seconds to OTB&C, whereas it takes someone a bit longer to reg a new account. Hopefully after awhile they'll either get tired of regging new accounts or post better. Regardless, the thread will be served.

This raises 2 questions for me:

1. Why is it that once a poster is banned, they're allowed to create a new account and continue posting? If it is as easy as tuq says (and I have no reason to doubt this) to check on IPs - why isn't this done? Just wondering, and a bit mystified.

2. Maybe it is time to break NVG into 2 forums. One for serious news, one for everything else. Of course, this would mean that someone would have to define what "serious news" is, and make sure that commentary stays on topic. And have to decide what is and isn't appropriate for such a "News Only" forum vs. the "Veiws and Gossip" forum.

Never mind, please forget that I asked question #2. I just can't see this working.

Lee

I actually think question 2 has a very good chance of working, but... oh well.

I don't post in NVG but I sift through it fairly regularly to try to find the actual "News" parts. A heavily moderated "News only" subforum (with maybe a similar approval-to-be-a-thread-starter system as Marketplace/EDF to stop ******s) and any further updates edited into the OP would make my sifting a lot easier.

/OT

Just reported around 20 people. It is super annoying that you can only report one per minute haha

Thanks

Fair points. If we got a heavily moderated news forum would it be possible to make a pure high stakes thread for hh's, high stakes discussion and maybe even some strat talk, and where the kind of things I was reporting will not be allowed. Such as posting pointless arguments or silly question ect

+1 this is a great idea

How could we get this to work? What are the procedures for changing NVG and how easy is it to do? I think it would deffo be for the better so let's get it done IMO!

pipe dreams itt

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agreed

you dream of pipe

Yeah I also think some change needs to happen, but not really a completely separate isildur high stakes thread. A lot of the time the most interesting poker being played (imo) is by him especially since big NL/PLO games don't run that often and most posters don't care about 2-7.

It's mainly just the ridiculous hate. I'm a huge isildur fan but I just hate making my way through like 200 posts of just pure crap and bad jokes directed at Hastings. I can't imagine any casual reader of the thread would be coming back for long if this **** continues. It seems hard to moderate because none of the hate is really ban or infraction worthy (or are they?), I can't imagine a post of 'Hastings is fat' being worthy of infraction under 2p2 rules. If it was I couldn't be happier, lol. I'll try to report some posts.

If you were able to ban/infract non-content posts I think the best way would just be some heavy moderation for a while. Dunno if it's worth it to 2p2 to have that done though

Try to remember it's NVG

it is possible. many of the subforums enforce this. and a lot of derailing/no-content posts get deleted in various nvg threads as is.

There is no way to prevent someone from continuing to register more accounts and there are numerous people who have gone through literally dozens of banned accounts. They rarely give up. You need to either dedicate yourself to go to war with them and ban every new account immediately until they go away, or entice them to post a little bit less terribly by giving them some rope as long as they make some sort of effort to behave. The former is often better but not always worth the effort.

I would be happy to put myself forward as one of the ones to try and sort the high stakes NVG thread out. I would be more than happy to delete useless/pointless/hate/offtopic posts and infract people.