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Vegas trip report - Low stakes grinder takes a shot, hangs w/the pros (tl;dr, w/pics) Vegas trip report - Low stakes grinder takes a shot, hangs w/the pros (tl;dr, w/pics)

06-30-2008 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Warteen;4852

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Two Plus Two dinner attendees. From left: Seth (__seth), Josh (LB_001), Adam (Warteen), Mike (MikeyPatriot), Jason (JDLade). As you can see, at 6’4” I tower over everyone.

Looks like the wall at most high school dances

More like the guys getting high outside the school dance, which is much better ducy?

(but srsly I didn't even have dances at my high school, do you come from the 1950's or something? Wallflowers at the sock hops?)
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06-30-2008 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Chump Change
The lack of reading comprehension is kinda tilting me, the way everybody seemed to miss this point about the 'pestering'.

If somebody invites you out and says your boarding is covered and then something comes up to change this, you guys really think it's 'pestering' to ask the person to help you out?
QFT,

I'd say it was getting embarrassing for the OP after a while, think about it, Robl invites him over telling him he'll stake him into a WSOP event (for 85% + Stakeback, meaning at best the OP is gonna win F*** all without final tabling. But from my reading he was doing it more for the experience then anything) and cover their accommodation, so all they needed was gambling, food and drink money (seriously OP you need to get more drinking in next time...) So fair play to Robl no matter what it was a cool thing to do, but it wasn't like it was a great charity offer or anything. Any old donk can cash in those things if they have a general understanding of Poker and can run well. So unless the OP just sits there and drools all over the table it's probably +EV for Robl or at least reduces Variance assuming he played in some of these himself or backed a few more people.

As for the mooching, I'd agree with CC, the lads were told by Robl that their accomodation was sorted, through his ballaness, i.e. stay with him for a couple of days, then a week in the Marriott and then get them comped in Circus Circus, Robl wasn't able to get them comped and so they lost out, they hadn't budgeted for it (although if I was in their shoes, I'd have just said feck Robl and got a room somewhere instead of playing table games) Unfortunate but meh, Robl shouldn't have been acting like the big man if he wasn't able to follow through.

Although at the end of the day serious fair play to Robl for sorting the lads out with what sounds like a holiday that the OP got what he wanted out of, the OP does seem like something of a wet blanket, so I can understand not wanting to hang 24/7.

Promises were made and only after badgering were they followed through (from my reading anyway)
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06-30-2008 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Chump Change
I really gotta say you have class for responding to what amounts to basically flames (not you, curve, but in general; a bunch of this **** is well beyond just negative criticism) with calm and thoughtful replies.
Thanks CC. Obviously I took a risk posting in BBV (I directed my friends and family to the same report in MTTc, lol), and since I have spent a good percentage of my 2p2 existence here I expected a certain degree of flaming. Still, a lot of the responses, especially towards the end, were even harsher than I was expecting. Not gonna lie, that sucked. But responding in kind doesn't accomplish anything and would only tarnish my own reputation or the characterization of my report, so I've taken it the best I can.
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06-30-2008 , 01:32 PM
i think they are just telling you in unkind terms that you obviously are not good at live poker, playing table games is a horrible leak of yours, and you should spend more time enjoying vegas and write your trip reports when you get home instead of wasting precious hours in vegas writing them.
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06-30-2008 , 01:46 PM
you can't truly enjoy vegas unless you get completely hammered and go to a club....you missed out
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06-30-2008 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Chump Change
The lack of reading comprehension is kinda tilting me, the way everybody seemed to miss this point about the 'pestering'.

If somebody invites you out and says your boarding is covered and then something comes up to change this, you guys really think it's 'pestering' to ask the person to help you out?
Actually, yes I do. Bring more money with you. Hotels are not booked up in Vegas, ever. And they are cheap. You can stay 1 minute off strip for as low as $35 and not be in any danger. That whole we can't find a room is BS.
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06-30-2008 , 03:15 PM
Great posts, you seem like a very down to earth good natured type of guy and you have a nice writing style. The haters will hate always so thats a given but a great read to help my boring day go a little faster.

glad to see also that robl's tips are helping you out. ROBUSTO TIME!!
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06-30-2008 , 03:37 PM
I would be really interested to see Robl weigh in on this, since he is a part of 75% of that trip report. I don't really have an opinion either way, because I don't know the OP or Robl at all, but I think the situation is very dependent on the kind of interaction they had before the trip, which none of us really know.

Good TR. Sadly, you don't play perfect poker, as you found out throughout the trip, and with your marked improvement after getting advice on what you were doing wrong.
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06-30-2008 , 03:40 PM
(x) beat being good2cu's assistant.
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06-30-2008 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Baxby
(x) beat being
You're doing it wrong.
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06-30-2008 , 04:30 PM
Regardless of how you play poker, your craps habit, the begging from a friend or whatever the situation was, the TR was very well done. It gives us SSNL and MSNL some insight on what it's like to take a trip to Vegas and not be a "baller". I was able to relate just off the premise of where you're coming from. I hope someday I can play in a WSOP event and just experience Vegas the way you did. Hopefully I'll play live these next few months after I turn 21 and hit up the WSOP next year. Heres to the dream!
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06-30-2008 , 05:34 PM
Mooching in life is never correct even if offered.

Enjoyed the read...thanks for the effort of putting it up.

lol at thinking you're not +EV at live table....

Next time bring less clothes/more money
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06-30-2008 , 08:05 PM
I really enjoyed reading this, looked forward to it every day
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06-30-2008 , 10:29 PM
OP don't feel too bad about the craps "issue". I have experienced the same problem. As has TJ Cloutier on a much grander scale. Next time just budget funds to blow on dice and keep it seperate from your poker roll.

Decent tr ignore the haters. And hey, aren't we all Christians when we need to hit that two outer on the river...?

Later,
AW
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06-30-2008 , 10:50 PM
Decent detailed report...like others have said, some things a little ????. I can think of a few better places (where $$$ to sleep is same) better than Circus Circus. Christ, the Stratosphere is always looking for people and mid week, it's very cheap!

Seems like maybe your game has popped up a bit lately, but I'd have said same as others. Grind some 1/2 to win more money to stake yourself instead of looking for help.

BTW...I laughed when I saw the pic of Mikey....not surprised
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06-30-2008 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sitngohome
Good TR. Sadly, you don't play perfect poker, as you found out throughout the trip, and with your marked improvement after getting advice on what you were doing wrong.
HE SAID HE PLAYED PERFECT PUSHBOT SNG STRATEGY

NOT PERFECT POKER



sweet **** i have no personal investment in this besides liking Warteen as a poster, but you dumb ass non reading mother ****ers are blowing my mind
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07-01-2008 , 12:06 AM
Just a post so I know where I need to start reading this later...

Good TR IMO.
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07-01-2008 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Chump Change
I really gotta say you have class for responding to what amounts to basically flames (not you, curve, but in general; a bunch of this **** is well beyond just negative criticism) with calm and thoughtful replies.
I agree and my comment wasn't stated as a flame just a personal thought...To come up with the idea of going somewhere I always make sure I can atleast pay everything myself even if friends help you out, because you never know what will happen also...

@warteen you keep mentioning things that g2cu paid things for you and everything, but (sorry if I'm mistaken) haven't you paid for some of the things aswell just to say thank you...and I'm not talking about 400 dollar bills, but just a drink and a small lunch just to say thank you..It's just that little thought that makes your friend believe you truly are one of his, because even with your smallish bankroll compared to him you still try to make him feel good aswell..I kinda miss these thoughts there..something down the line where g2cu basically had to say yes to let you guys sleep at his appartment..why didn't you buy some nice bottles of wine as a big thank you?
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07-01-2008 , 03:15 AM
WHY DOES ROBL HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS?
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07-01-2008 , 03:28 AM
Good tr, I'm just now getting to this and read the whole thing today.

ZOMG at the craps. Please put the dice down.

A couple of times you said you were bored and/or trying to kill time. Dunno if that's where you wanna do it.

IMO, the club/bar > the crap table for boredom/time-killing.

And obv that money spent on sng's would have been better spent at cash games. I can't understand how OP can play craps but has a problem with live poker. It can't be the social aspect. But as Warteen mentioned, poker actually takes skill, whereas craps is... well, a crapshoot. So it's just mindboggling that he'd rather play craps, and try to get others to do the same.

GA, imo.

But otherwise, good tr. And CC is right, both about the Robl thing (if he couldn't swing it, he shouldn't have made the arrangements) and the way you're dealing with the haters/flamers.

Last edited by Tha Villain; 07-01-2008 at 03:52 AM.
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07-01-2008 , 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Pork Fri Rize
WHY DOES ROBL HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS?
He's running bad online obv.
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07-01-2008 , 07:07 AM
Good TR. I plan on going on my 1st trip next summer, this has been an intresting insight.
-sl
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07-01-2008 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Chump Change
...but you dumb ass non reading mother ****ers are blowing my mind
So when is your trip to Thailand CC? I'm sure we can arrange for something other your mind to be blown...
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07-01-2008 , 10:20 AM


more flames pls
op gl with craps
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07-02-2008 , 01:46 AM
hey, its Jason
any questions?

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