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Vegas trip report - Low stakes grinder takes a shot, hangs w/the pros (tl;dr, w/pics) Vegas trip report - Low stakes grinder takes a shot, hangs w/the pros (tl;dr, w/pics)

06-29-2008 , 01:49 PM
oh gawd this is painful to read......ugh....definitely driving your buddy crazy....and lol@ the comment "you hope your never like that" referring to ppl who like to live on their own (your bud Robl)

I had roommates for 8 years..graduated college, got my good job etc...I live on my own and absolutely love it....no messes, no one stealing food, no fat nagging biotch barking, no loud stupid noises wakin me up...gf comes over when I want to hang out and leaves when I want to play poker, be alone, etc

It is actually pretty nice if your a strong person..I know ppl who are like "I don't like ever being alone"......I.......guess?......
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06-29-2008 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by thebeasters
oh gawd this is painful to read......ugh....definitely driving your buddy crazy....and lol@ the comment "you hope your never like that" referring to ppl who like to live on their own (your bud Robl)

I had roommates for 8 years..graduated college, got my good job etc...I live on my own and absolutely love it....no messes, no one stealing food, no fat nagging biotch barking, no loud stupid noises wakin me up...gf comes over when I want to hang out and leaves when I want to play poker, be alone, etc

It is actually pretty nice if your a strong person..I know ppl who are like "I don't like ever being alone"......I.......guess?......
QF"nailonthehead"T
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06-29-2008 , 02:09 PM
What I meant was that I hope I never like or care about poker hands more than people. I don't begrudge anyone wanting to live alone. It doesn't especially interest me, though, and I don't think it has anything to do with my level of personal strength.
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06-29-2008 , 02:18 PM
Quick ????
Why did you leave the employ of Good2CU?
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06-29-2008 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by NewTeaBag
Quick ????
Why did you leave the employ of Good2CU?
He moved from East Lansing to Las Vegas. I would've been content to continue working for him for some time; things were going well.
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06-29-2008 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Warteen
He moved from East Lansing to Las Vegas. I would've been content to continue working for him for some time; things were going well.
Warteen, why don't you come to terms with the fact Robl doesn't really like kickin it with you. If a good friend of mine came to town he could stay at my place no matter what. The excuse that he's running bad and him not having plans that night you called are cuz you bug the **** outta him with constantly buggin him for favors. Nobody likes a friend that takes takes takes and never has anything to offer. You are very lucky to have a friend like Jason that puts up with your ****. You are a whiny ass sponge that doesn't see himself as one cuz you try to justify it with reasons like," Robl has lots of money he should stake me again." I can't imagine having so little pride than to whime for another stake like you did. Pathetic.

P.S. You are really good at poker, don't change anything about how you play. Also do me a favor and teach all your friends and anyone who wants to learn to play poker like you.
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06-29-2008 , 02:59 PM
OK, interesting read War, but you have seriously tilted me.

Craps? (Also, what part of LOL Donkaments' don't you understand?) You can beat 6max 100NL (on wpex nonetheless, a taggy, few-fish place) I have seen you do it, been at the tables with you for thousands of hands. So the notion that you can't beat live NL 1-2 or NL 1-3 is patently absurd.

How? see: (strat hidden in BBV. obv.)
Spoiler:
Its full ring, ok, your not used to it. Do this: Just play super tight from EP, when you get to the last 6 positions play Preflop as you would 6max. [except don't 3 bet light, and remember their PF 3Betting range is very tight AA,KK,QQ, sometimes AK].

Remember, this is live low-stakes, almost without exception, the players are BAAAAAADDD... Postflop, just value bet the chasing fish and idiot stations to death. Forget making heroic bluffs or calls or fancy moves, they are not folding any made hand, no matter how pathetic it is to a C-bet or Double barrel, so don't slowplay monsters either. The fish are not paying attention to position, betting patterns, or how loose/tight you are playing. [edit: limp a little more Pre in LP than you would online with speculative hands, seeing some cheap flops in LP against these droolers can ship stacks but quick] OK, it is a bit boring and uncreative poker, but it is profitable.


Stop with the craps, TJ. Forget BJ, engage in donkaments sparingly. The above play will be very +EV, especially for you, you are a very disciplined player. Unless you were VERY unlucky, playing this way over 12 days in Vegas could have easily paid for your trip 3 times over.

Otherwise, I enjoyed the read, thanks for posting it.
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06-29-2008 , 03:17 PM
That would be funny to get Robl's version of this trip report.

IIRC Robl and Galfond could not get a table when they were going out to celebrate the bracelet victory so you did not go meet up with them. Must be real tough to get a table in Vegas with a fresh million in your pocket. LOL hmmmmm.

Hate to say it but Paulie Walnuts is right on. Jeez OP this has been entertaining but sounds like you can't or don't want to take a hint.

Can't you see while you are sitting in front of your buddy's front door until "finally" shows up that he was probably cursin the crap out of your pathetic azz. I think that night it was I don't really understand. He made it pretty clear that he did not want company AGAIN and instead of trying to find lodging for the night you spend the whole day playing craps and bj. Should not be hard to get a fifty dollar room for the evening IMO.
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06-29-2008 , 03:21 PM
Most things people are saying ITT are pretty true, but I have to give a lot of praise to OP. Putting all this out there, you have to know what's coming, especially in BBV...yet some people forget that or don't know that and act like a tool and get butthurt. OP doesn't. Good job writing a very entertaining tr OP. Don't play table games.
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06-29-2008 , 03:28 PM
each update is exponentially painful to read
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06-29-2008 , 03:32 PM
uno mas
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06-29-2008 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini
each update is exponentially painful to read
perhaps you shouldn't read anymore if its causing you that much pain?
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06-29-2008 , 04:03 PM
Well, it appears as though I have used up most of my BBV goodwill, so I will just get the rest up here and get this over with.

I will say this, though: I'm pretty happy with who I am. Obviously there are plenty of areas for improvement, but that's standard. I am a hell of a lot of fun to hang out with, and I think you'll get confirmation on that from Jason, Robl, or any of the guys that I met at the 2p2 dinners. I do my best to give back where I can, even if it's not much. Furthermore, I'm striving to be a good person, which is not enough but goes a long way sometimes. I know my place in the universe, to a reasonable degree. I'm happy with my poker skills right now, have years of results to back it up, and am trying to get better. Paulie, you sound like a real jerk.


Tuesday, 6/24/08
Just one more day until we go home. I’m up at 10:30 and Jason is already getting ready for his day. I decide to stay in the room for a while rather than joining him for breakfast (which he’s going to follow up with more PLO, since he’s apparently in love with the game now). World Poker Exchange is having some connectivity issues, but I get on eventually and win for a while. I also post some of the things I’ve seen here on 2p2 (NVG specifically) before heading out in search of a cheap lunch. We might do a farewell dinner with Robl later.

I grab lunch at Chipotle, then decide to stop in for some $3 craps at Casino Royale (which is a far better idea than $5 craps for my roll). A couple guys are shooting extremely hot, to the extent that the floormen get frustrated and decide to change the dice (which is hilarious), and I turn my $40 into $160 before ever touching them. When I finally do, I only end up getting about 4 rolls – well below the expectation of ~7 – and leave with my winnings. I play more online poker and end up breaking even on the day so far while planning one last dinner for the 2p2ers (since Robl’s incommunicado).

I take the shuttle to the Rio from Caesar’s Palace and arrive at 8:45 P.M. or so. I meet Mike (“acesinurface” on WorldPx) and John from 2p2 there, whose date I messed with the other night, and collect Jason. Mike tells us about his previous multiaccounting shenanigans, of which I disapprove. He’s traveling very light – a laptop and one plastic bag, half of which seems to contain poker books – and doesn’t know where he’ll be staying even tonight. What a vagabond.

We get the all-you-can-eat sushi at the Miranda Noodle Kitchen in the Rio. I order a bunch of sushi and eat it, then order about twice as much. The waitress sets this gigantic plate in front of me, and I say I’m going to eat all of it. Jason expresses skepticism, and this results in a prop bet between him and John over whether I can do it. I power through and polish it all off, getting my money’s worth and helping John win Jason’s $10. Don’t tell me what I can’t eat.

Like last time with the 2p2ers, I take the guys over to the Gold Coast where we shoot craps for a while (though Mike doesn’t get into it), and Josh joins us for that as well since I got in touch with him earlier. Josh is going to be staying to play in more events including the main, so if he goes deep he’ll have to fly us out here for the final table obv. Craps goes really poorly and I lose my profits from earlier (what a stupid game). We bid the others adieu, then head back to the hotel room. Jason grabs the wired internet, which is all we have, and I work on my report and watch tv. This is all going to be over soon.

Wednesday, 6/25/08
I wake up at 11:00 and Jason is already in the shower. Damn, he’s sneaky. I watch a little Cosby as we pack up and get ready for the voyage home. I text Robl to see if he wants to get lunch (since he rarely answers his phone) and he responds no, but we should come chill at his place before our flight. We check out and take a cab over to Sky Las Vegas, where we find Robl playing poker again. It’s what he does best. We plan to eat at the airport and watch him play for a while. I let him know about the success I’ve had applying the “Robl method” at 100 NL. His assistant Channing is instructed to drive us to the airport (to save us another expensive cab ride), for which we are appreciative. I write up a thank-you email and take one last look at Andrew before going – 2 30” monitors making him tons of money in front of a beautiful view overlooking the Las Vegas Strip, he’s basically royalty in Vegas.


Good2cu doing what he does best – playing poker on his ridiculously nice setup, in his ridiculously nice apartment. Any poker player who says they don’t want this is kidding themselves.

And yet I don’t want to be him. I’ve taken my shot and it’s been a wild ride, gotten to see some amazingly cool things, but I’m ready to get away from gambling and back to Lauren. I’m in the minority here, but I just don’t believe this stuff is what life is all about. I couldn’t do it.

Channing gives us a ride to the airport. At check-in there’s a very upset bleached blonde foreign woman (maybe Italian?) making a huge scene. Not a lot to be done there. Our flight takes off at 3:18 P.M. as scheduled. The flight is relatively uneventful; I pass the time by playing Final Fantasy VI Advance on my DS (assault on the Dragon’s Den!) and Jason naps. We arrive in Atlanta at 10:30 P.M. local time and grab some Popeye’s Chicken to sustain us. Now it’s time to catch a much shorter flight from here to Flint, MI, where Jason’s dad will be waiting to pick us up.

At the gate, they announce that the plane has been oversold and they need volunteers to stay in Atlanta overnight and take a flight tomorrow. “To hell with that,” I tell Jason. “Let’s get in line.” The plane is much more cramped than the last one, with very little leg room, and we have to sit there for about 20 minutes before finally taking off. Mercifully, it’s a short flight compared to the last one, and we arrive in Flint around 1:20 A.M. Jason’s dad is already waiting for us and we update him on what happened while we collect our baggage and head back to the Lademan house. Jason will be driving me back to DeWitt (and Lauren) tomorrow, but now the Vegas trip is in the books. It was certainly a good time, even if it cost me a lot of money, and I gained plenty of live experience (and revolutionized my online game). I took the shot I’ve been longing to take for years. I did think the trip was about 3 or 4 days too long, but I made the most of it. Maybe we’ll do something like this again in the future, I don’t know. For now, I’m happy to be home… where I belong.
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06-29-2008 , 04:14 PM
Soooooooooooo how is he playing on Party? Either Americans can or they cant and now I'm confused.
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06-29-2008 , 04:20 PM
pics of Robl's assistant plz
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06-29-2008 , 04:41 PM
That does look like partypoker on bottom left and top right, it could be possible he is just sweating a game though
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06-29-2008 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Anthony Montana
Soooooooooooo how is he playing on Party? Either Americans can or they cant and now I'm confused.
I took all my money off when they announced they weren't letting American's deposit anymore but I thought if you still had money on there you can play. Either that or he has an account in a friends name with a foreign address and deposit/withdrawal options.
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06-29-2008 , 04:51 PM
oooh party poker
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06-29-2008 , 05:36 PM
Overall, solid TR. Disagree with some of your thoughts but that's not too important.

Basiclly, I think you should deffo give up the shttttt casino games, learn to play live low stakes cash (the above spoiler recipe is just about spot on for printing money) and then enjoy your next trip without the stress of losing and steaking.

Best of luck in your future, whatever you decide to do, but try and remember, if you really love this girl, Lauren, you will choose a path that gives both you and her a sense of stability and longterm security. This may include pokerz and it may not. Decide what is important to you and then act on it.

Once again, tx for the entertaining a detailed TRs and best of luck.
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06-29-2008 , 05:40 PM
Great read all the way through OP. Pleny of haters in the thread, we are all jealous.

Gained a lot of respect for Robl too, cause let's face it, he did put up with a lot from you. Made him seem like a really cool guy.
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06-29-2008 , 05:45 PM
PARTY POKAH

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obv we need pics of assistant or you fail at tr
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06-29-2008 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TheCanoe
Gained a lot of respect for Robl too, cause let's face it, he did put up with a lot from you. Made him seem like a really cool guy.
You're right about this. In my defense though, the only reason we pestered him so much was that he basically told us we could beforehand. Our lodging was going to be covered by him as detailed above. If this stuff hadn't been worked out already, I wouldn't have come on the trip, or would have at least budgeted for it. I decided I would rather ask for help from a friend than spend money I hadn't planned on spending, especially since he was the one who told me I wouldn't have to. Jason went with me on this, and for his part Andrew didn't seem to harbor any ill will toward us for the disruption of his schedule.
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06-29-2008 , 06:08 PM
I enjoyed the TR warteen, but I just can't understand how you can keep asking your friend for so much things. I, just to speak for myself, wouldn't be able to do that, because it would hurt my dignity.
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06-29-2008 , 06:24 PM
net profit/loss for you and jason?
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06-29-2008 , 06:25 PM
[QUOTE=Warteen;4852


Two Plus Two dinner attendees. From left: Seth (__seth), Josh (LB_001), Adam (Warteen), Mike (MikeyPatriot), Jason (JDLade). As you can see, at 6’4” I tower over everyone.

Looks like the wall at most high school dances
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