Stake gone wrong / scammed?! by "4betfold" (Joshua Le Marchant. scammer scam.)
02-14-2011
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I’ll try to keep it short and simple. Sorry for my bad English in advance.
Background:
Poker is my main source of income for more than 3 years now, my main games is NLHE, in 2009 I was playing up to 10-20 on regular basis. Year 2010 was really poor for me, played bad, run bad etc. In the beginning of 2011 I decide to completely switch to PLO (already had some decent experience), however I felt that need someone’s help to do so.
In beginning of January I started to look for PLO coach on 2+2, made a request in coaching thread and PMd several strong PLO players.
Then I get a PM from 4betfold: “can coach up to 200plo HU”
I decided to give it a shot (he wanted 100$/h, which wasn’t that huge of a price to me)
Next few weeks we got couple of caching sessions, and he did help me with my game (I’m not ne w to poker so I understand when people say crap or where there is a good logic behind their words).
We became relatively close/ had a lot of casual conversations/hand reviews, etc.
After 2 weeks of coaching he asked me to stake him. From his words, he just bought a new flat and had to withdraw all his BR (20k) to make his 1st payment.
We coped that I’ll give him 4k$, when he doubles the money I get my 4k back, and then get 50% of his winnings up to 10k.
First 2 weeks always shows me the progress (he was running hugely under EV). Then I went to Canary Islands on my holiday. When I get back we don’t chat that much as used to in Skype, but I was pretty confident that everything is going ok. I asked him couple of times about how much money do we have and it was always around 3k$.
Three days ago I receive this PM from him:
4betfold “possible staking?”
“Hey bro,
Was wondering if you'd consider coaching/staking a PLO player, I play mainly HU but can convert. Posted a few times in HSPLO but I normally only play up to 200 so don't contribute that much in the thread. Anyway, app below:
ipoker + ongame: http://img833.imageshack.us/i/total1.jpg/
ongame : http://img690.imageshack.us/i/ongame1.jpg/
only hands i have on new pc , hope its a sufficient sample
i play 100 & 200 plo HU
looking for stake due to personal financial situation regarding tuition and housing fees
can teamviewer my hem etc
SN : ongame : 4betfold
SN : ipoker : poweradepro
looking for a 50/50 deal with 100% backing, hopefully a rakeback 50/50 aswell if possible.
Name : xxxxx
Location : xxxxx
Msn : xxxxxx
Aim : xxxxxx
Hands per month HU : 25000
Looking for a 200 PLO hu stake , can be discussed for higher/lower though
Thanks”
At the moment I was like WTF. Immediately wrote to him in Skype
[2:47:41 AM] Vitali: why did u write me a PM on 2+@
[2:47:45 AM] Vitali: about stacking?
[2:47:46 AM] Vitali: wtf
[2:47:54 AM] Vitali: staking*
[3:39:10 AM] Josh: ? i sent that to you
[3:39:11 AM] Josh: like
[3:39:12 AM] Josh: 2months ago
[3:39:34 AM] Josh: when we spoke about it lol
[3:39:42 AM] Josh: have you only just logged on 2+2?
[3:45:16 AM] Vitali: nope
[3:45:25 AM] Vitali: i'l always logged in there
[3:45:39 AM] Vitali: playing atm
[3:45:42 AM] Vitali: whats the BR?
[3:45:44 AM] Josh: ill PM a mod, see whats up
[3:45:49 AM] Vitali: graphs?
[3:45:51 AM] Vitali: ^^
[3:45:53 AM] Josh: br is 3.1
[3:45:53 AM] Josh: kk
[3:48:32 AM] Josh: image shack down for you?
[3:48:49 AM] Vitali: no
[3:49:30 AM] Josh: got it
[3:49:32 AM] Josh: running over ev btw
[3:49:33 AM] Josh: :P
[3:49:34 AM] Josh: kinda nice
[3:50:27 AM] Josh: http://img831.imageshack.us/i/grindings.jpg/
[3:50:45 AM] Josh: playing hon with friend, brb like 20-40mins
[3:51:37 AM] Vitali: but u were under EV when u started ongame :-/ how can u be over ev whole graph here
[3:53:13 AM] Josh: thats all the hands off my MAC air. if you let me get home i can see if i can usb and stick them together
[3:53:15 AM] Josh: i think ive played like
[3:53:19 AM] Josh: 6k total hands
[3:53:34 AM] Josh: got $550 rakeback aswell
[3:54:14 AM] Vitali: k
[3:55:27 AM] Vitali: dont get me wrong just make a screenshot with ur client open (to check bankroll) and ur whole graph/or both together
[3:55:52 AM] Josh: yeh i know man
[3:55:55 AM] Josh: that PM thing is messed up wtf
[3:56:12 AM] Vitali: yeah it was kinda creepy
[3:56:16 AM] Vitali: but just to clear this up
[3:56:21 AM] Josh: but yeh as soon as i get in after gym 2moz
[3:56:25 AM] Josh: i get it sorted for you
[3:56:34 AM] Vitali: k
[4:00:21 AM] Vitali: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...p-114s-970828/
[4:00:28 AM] Vitali: now it gets really ****ed up :/
After that he basically just ignored me.
As you can see he already seeks for another stake. I don’t care if he gambled the money, or withdrew it. I’m not even sure if he even meant that from the beginning.
I just want other 2+2 people to know their “heroes”. ATM I’m going to PM people from whom he looks for stake now.
I believe it’s almost impossible to get the money back, but that not why I’m posting this. If any of you have any good advice, go ahead.
Regards,
Gotbluffing
Background:
Poker is my main source of income for more than 3 years now, my main games is NLHE, in 2009 I was playing up to 10-20 on regular basis. Year 2010 was really poor for me, played bad, run bad etc. In the beginning of 2011 I decide to completely switch to PLO (already had some decent experience), however I felt that need someone’s help to do so.
In beginning of January I started to look for PLO coach on 2+2, made a request in coaching thread and PMd several strong PLO players.
Then I get a PM from 4betfold: “can coach up to 200plo HU”
I decided to give it a shot (he wanted 100$/h, which wasn’t that huge of a price to me)
Next few weeks we got couple of caching sessions, and he did help me with my game (I’m not ne w to poker so I understand when people say crap or where there is a good logic behind their words).
We became relatively close/ had a lot of casual conversations/hand reviews, etc.
After 2 weeks of coaching he asked me to stake him. From his words, he just bought a new flat and had to withdraw all his BR (20k) to make his 1st payment.
We coped that I’ll give him 4k$, when he doubles the money I get my 4k back, and then get 50% of his winnings up to 10k.
First 2 weeks always shows me the progress (he was running hugely under EV). Then I went to Canary Islands on my holiday. When I get back we don’t chat that much as used to in Skype, but I was pretty confident that everything is going ok. I asked him couple of times about how much money do we have and it was always around 3k$.
Three days ago I receive this PM from him:
4betfold “possible staking?”
“Hey bro,
Was wondering if you'd consider coaching/staking a PLO player, I play mainly HU but can convert. Posted a few times in HSPLO but I normally only play up to 200 so don't contribute that much in the thread. Anyway, app below:
ipoker + ongame: http://img833.imageshack.us/i/total1.jpg/
ongame : http://img690.imageshack.us/i/ongame1.jpg/
only hands i have on new pc , hope its a sufficient sample
i play 100 & 200 plo HU
looking for stake due to personal financial situation regarding tuition and housing fees
can teamviewer my hem etc
SN : ongame : 4betfold
SN : ipoker : poweradepro
looking for a 50/50 deal with 100% backing, hopefully a rakeback 50/50 aswell if possible.
Name : xxxxx
Location : xxxxx
Msn : xxxxxx
Aim : xxxxxx
Hands per month HU : 25000
Looking for a 200 PLO hu stake , can be discussed for higher/lower though
Thanks”
At the moment I was like WTF. Immediately wrote to him in Skype
[2:47:41 AM] Vitali: why did u write me a PM on 2+@
[2:47:45 AM] Vitali: about stacking?
[2:47:46 AM] Vitali: wtf
[2:47:54 AM] Vitali: staking*
[3:39:10 AM] Josh: ? i sent that to you
[3:39:11 AM] Josh: like
[3:39:12 AM] Josh: 2months ago
[3:39:34 AM] Josh: when we spoke about it lol
[3:39:42 AM] Josh: have you only just logged on 2+2?
[3:45:16 AM] Vitali: nope
[3:45:25 AM] Vitali: i'l always logged in there
[3:45:39 AM] Vitali: playing atm
[3:45:42 AM] Vitali: whats the BR?
[3:45:44 AM] Josh: ill PM a mod, see whats up
[3:45:49 AM] Vitali: graphs?
[3:45:51 AM] Vitali: ^^
[3:45:53 AM] Josh: br is 3.1
[3:45:53 AM] Josh: kk
[3:48:32 AM] Josh: image shack down for you?
[3:48:49 AM] Vitali: no
[3:49:30 AM] Josh: got it
[3:49:32 AM] Josh: running over ev btw
[3:49:33 AM] Josh: :P
[3:49:34 AM] Josh: kinda nice
[3:50:27 AM] Josh: http://img831.imageshack.us/i/grindings.jpg/
[3:50:45 AM] Josh: playing hon with friend, brb like 20-40mins
[3:51:37 AM] Vitali: but u were under EV when u started ongame :-/ how can u be over ev whole graph here
[3:53:13 AM] Josh: thats all the hands off my MAC air. if you let me get home i can see if i can usb and stick them together
[3:53:15 AM] Josh: i think ive played like
[3:53:19 AM] Josh: 6k total hands
[3:53:34 AM] Josh: got $550 rakeback aswell
[3:54:14 AM] Vitali: k
[3:55:27 AM] Vitali: dont get me wrong just make a screenshot with ur client open (to check bankroll) and ur whole graph/or both together
[3:55:52 AM] Josh: yeh i know man
[3:55:55 AM] Josh: that PM thing is messed up wtf
[3:56:12 AM] Vitali: yeah it was kinda creepy
[3:56:16 AM] Vitali: but just to clear this up
[3:56:21 AM] Josh: but yeh as soon as i get in after gym 2moz
[3:56:25 AM] Josh: i get it sorted for you
[3:56:34 AM] Vitali: k
[4:00:21 AM] Vitali: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...p-114s-970828/
[4:00:28 AM] Vitali: now it gets really ****ed up :/
After that he basically just ignored me.
As you can see he already seeks for another stake. I don’t care if he gambled the money, or withdrew it. I’m not even sure if he even meant that from the beginning.
I just want other 2+2 people to know their “heroes”. ATM I’m going to PM people from whom he looks for stake now.
I believe it’s almost impossible to get the money back, but that not why I’m posting this. If any of you have any good advice, go ahead.
Regards,
Gotbluffing
Well, Gotbluffing
Looks like you,
Gotbluffed
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