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10-13-2007 , 07:21 PM
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10-13-2007 , 07:27 PM
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Well yeah, but 1.4 million hands @0.2 BB = 60 buyins

Isnt that running bad?
In his mind, maybe, but it's still only .2BB/100 below expectation, which is perfectly normal.
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10-13-2007 , 07:30 PM
To put the point in context, running .2bb/100 below expectation isnt that important when your winrate is 5.

Its only when you play breakeven poker that .2bb/100 is important.
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10-13-2007 , 07:52 PM
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BWHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHH


LOL


omgwtfgtfo im dying.... WINNAR, by lightyears.
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10-13-2007 , 07:56 PM
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BWHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHH


LOL


omgwtfgtfo im dying.... WINNAR, by lightyears.
QFT i think this is the best yet.
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10-13-2007 , 07:57 PM
def for the EV graph. For the original one I couldnt decide.


excellent excellent work.
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10-13-2007 , 07:59 PM
hra146 for mod

o wait
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10-13-2007 , 08:00 PM
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Well yeah, but 1.4 million hands @0.2 BB = 60 buyins

Isnt that running bad?
You know how hard it is to pinpoint winrate with such accuracy ? Over such a sample size, if you want to get 99% confidence, it would be approximately +/- 2BB/100. -0.2bb/100 is very very close to the expected value (obviously the pokerev number only takes into account the variation from expected value in allin pots, which is not the complete picture).

As an aside, there was a slightly off-topic discussion in the previous thread about what you're talking about. As the number of hands grows, the number of buyins away from the expected value will NOT converge, contrarily to popular belief, as it has no real reasons to do so. However, The number of buyins divided by the sample size, that is the average difference with the expected value, WILL converge. Quick recap about this in this probability thread.


edit : Awesome dotbum !
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10-13-2007 , 08:08 PM

dunno whatcha guys have... that graph looks just fine!
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10-13-2007 , 08:22 PM
lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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10-13-2007 , 08:36 PM
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lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
[x] edd is back
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10-13-2007 , 09:35 PM
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Well yeah, but 1.4 million hands @0.2 BB = 60 buyins

Isnt that running bad?
You know how hard it is to pinpoint winrate with such accuracy ? Over such a sample size, if you want to get 99% confidence, it would be approximately +/- 2BB/100. -0.2bb/100 is very very close to the expected value (obviously the pokerev number only takes into account the variation from expected value in allin pots, which is not the complete picture).

As an aside, there was a slightly off-topic discussion in the previous thread about what you're talking about. As the number of hands grows, the number of buyins away from the expected value will NOT converge, contrarily to popular belief, as it has no real reasons to do so. However, The number of buyins divided by the sample size, that is the average difference with the expected value, WILL converge. Quick recap about this in this probability thread.


edit : Awesome dotbum !
Thanks + good link.
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10-13-2007 , 09:50 PM
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10-13-2007 , 09:55 PM
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10-13-2007 , 09:59 PM
very clever
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10-13-2007 , 10:33 PM
pretty much exactly what I expected....a breakeven player

congrats on being a FPP grinder...maybe you should learn to play poker instead of wasting your time complaining about it "being rigged"
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10-13-2007 , 10:44 PM






(thx 2 grey for this picturefind)
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10-13-2007 , 10:50 PM
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lolllllllllllllllllll .....

that looks so insane.

can someone please give a hint what a normal gap between blue and green graph would be? thx
depends on your style

If you have a "tight image" and your profit comes a lot from "c-betting etc." then green should be OVER blue. If you're laggy...and get a lot of money from getting "your good hands paid off" then green should be the same or a little under blue.

fgators = the DEFENTION of weak tight....like...WEAK WEAK WEAK tight.
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10-13-2007 , 11:12 PM
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lolllllllllllllllllll .....

that looks so insane.

can someone please give a hint what a normal gap between blue and green graph would be? thx
depends on your style

If you have a "tight image" and your profit comes a lot from "c-betting etc." then green should be OVER blue. If you're laggy...and get a lot of money from getting "your good hands paid off" then green should be the same or a little under blue.

fgators = the DEFENTION of weak tight....like...WEAK WEAK WEAK tight.

Um...no...like...completely no...in fact the only correct thing you said here was that fgators is weak/tight.

EDIT: by this definition you are calling Kotkis a taggy nit:

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10-13-2007 , 11:28 PM
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I think his line on that hand is fine.
His line is fine if his overall game plan were similar to that of a winning player. If you have ever seen FGators play postflop, his hand is literally faceup on the turn to anyone thats played more than 100 hands with him. Face. Up.
So you mean by face up that its usually a weak hand wich he folt to a turnbet because he doesnt play big pots with hand so betting this turn 100% wins you every pot.
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10-13-2007 , 11:42 PM
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lol, awesome..
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10-14-2007 , 11:02 AM
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10-14-2007 , 11:21 AM
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loooool i like this one
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10-14-2007 , 12:01 PM
now that its been bumped by others:

has fgators posted a single comment after the EV graph?
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10-14-2007 , 12:57 PM
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(thx 2 grey for this picturefind)
Yea that is definitely a bad day. Took me a minute to realize more than one animal is present in the picture.
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