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10-16-2007 , 05:14 PM
yeah and I want it all in comparision to the Stars $1/2 game not [censored] $10/20 NL and me down the line.

The here and NOW.
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10-16-2007 , 05:16 PM
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I kind of find it way more disturbing that people are going to that website, finding out the kids name and then comparing it to what my supposed name is, which may be Fred, Frank, Michael, or Tucker.

I could have put in Michael as a joke and it may be Tucker.

I may be Tucker.

Who knows?
*I* do (winks).

and you do not play like big jim. just lol.

coaching is "gay?" wtf?
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10-16-2007 , 05:16 PM
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Id love someone to post the top 10 hands that didnt get to showdown but I think everyone gave up.
Who has the hand histories? Lets get those puppies posted.
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10-16-2007 , 05:16 PM
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you guys realize that AJMargarine (not sure how good he is at poker, because I don't base opinions unless I hear it from you BBV guys) sweated me last night for like 45 minutes and might again soon?

He thought I had a little monster under the bed syndrome but didn't see any glaring holes in my game.

So what does that say?
says you might not vb anywhere near light enough, coupled with your style could produce b/e poker?
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10-16-2007 , 05:21 PM
I do play like Big_Jim. I bet if we edited out my play in hands pulled from the database and asked him to fill in my action we'd be dead on.
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10-16-2007 , 05:27 PM
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I do play like Big_Jim. I bet if we edited out my play in hands pulled from the database and asked him to fill in my action we'd be dead on.
So what exactly would it take for you to admit to yourself that you are not good
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10-16-2007 , 05:30 PM
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I do play like Big_Jim. I bet if we edited out my play in hands pulled from the database and asked him to fill in my action we'd be dead on.
you are tilting the life out of me, sir. i suggest you tread carefully.
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10-16-2007 , 05:31 PM
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I do play like Big_Jim. I bet if we edited out my play in hands pulled from the database and asked him to fill in my action we'd be dead on.
So what exactly would it take for you to admit to yourself that you are not good
A brain transplant obviously.
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10-16-2007 , 05:31 PM
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I do play like Big_Jim. I bet if we edited out my play in hands pulled from the database and asked him to fill in my action we'd be dead on.
So what exactly would it take for you to admit to yourself that you are not good
i think if he ran break even for another say, 5.8 million hands. but he'd be driving around in a porsche, ship it, holla!

this thread just tilts me so much. fgators 'top 10 hands that didn't go to showdown' - you are losing money in tiny pots. medium sized pots. you are throwing it away by not value betting thin enough.

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10-16-2007 , 05:39 PM
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you guys realize that AJMargarine (not sure how good he is at poker, because I don't base opinions unless I hear it from you BBV guys) sweated me last night for like 45 minutes and might again soon?

He thought I had a little monster under the bed syndrome but didn't see any glaring holes in my game.

So what does that say?
Whoa cowboy. Don't be putting words in my mouth plz, tx.
you disagree with two hands and one of which, I believe, you had the action screwed up.
I'd be willing to bet you don't do anything obviously wrong on a per hand basis (nits rarely do), it's a whole heap of little things that add up to a lot of money in the long term. FTOP type mistakes, like folding too often in a turn pot when bet into, way more often than an opponent's realistic range would dictate. These can easily be a bigger leak than getting all in with the worst hand now and then.
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10-16-2007 , 05:40 PM
Ive been thinking of some way to test how you would both react in certain situations - but frankly i cant come up with a 100% correct way to model it.

You cant take hands that FG played, because the analysis is flawed beause the Villain in those hands played FG. Same goes for hands played against someone else at those stakes.

I guess you could construct 20 hands based on a decision tree with each route down produces a series of sub decisions - but i dont know nearly enough about 1/2 on Stars and poker in general to do it. I suspect someone like Nath or Clayton could.

The models would basically come out like one of those "you pick the story" type books where decision a,b,c or d makes you turn to page 125, 16 etc to continue the story.

Of course, arguably the best way to model this is for FGators to study Big Jims game, then play 1.5 million hands of 1/2 and see if his results match BJs.

Oh...

(out of interest, what are your stats Big Jim and how do they compare to FG - because if your like 26/20 and he is 20/14 then its pretty gross for FGators to say he plays the same as you)
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10-16-2007 , 05:41 PM
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I do play like Big_Jim. I bet if we edited out my play in hands pulled from the database and asked him to fill in my action we'd be dead on.
No you won't.
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10-16-2007 , 05:45 PM
Yeh Big Jim ahwat stats do you run at? If you don't mind saying.. perhaps you could just say roughly some ranges.

Doesnt FGators play like 18/11?
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10-16-2007 , 05:45 PM
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Fact 2: I get sweating from 2+2er and winning player Sputnik2000 (small sample), 2+2er and winning player hockeystud94 (small sample), adn AJMargarine, they don't find any real apparent problems in my game.
Having someone watch you play while occasionally asking what cards you have on AIM isn't gonna find a ton of leaks. I guarantee you that if you were using screen sharing software that allowed your sweater to see all the plays you were making and not just stuff that happens in big-ish pots they'd find significant leaks. I know I would.
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10-16-2007 , 05:53 PM
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I do play like Big_Jim. I bet if we edited out my play in hands pulled from the database and asked him to fill in my action we'd be dead on.
No you won't.
quiz for big jim...assume vs unknowns at 1/2.

1. SB open completes, you have Q9s in BB, your play?

2. SB open PFR's to $6 with about 80 bb's effective, you have AQo, your play? If you 3b, how much?

3. CO open limps, SB completes, you check in BB with QcTd. Flop is Qs9h8h. SB checks, you bet $4, CO raises to $12, SB folds, your action?
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10-16-2007 , 05:54 PM
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Yeh Big Jim ahwat stats do you run at? If you don't mind saying.. perhaps you could just say roughly some ranges.

Doesnt FGators play like 18/11?
I tend to run around 22/16.

FGators' stats on on the first page, 21/14.6
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10-16-2007 , 05:54 PM
fgators,

everyone makes mistakes - even Brian Townsend admits to the rare mistake while playing

what % of the time do you make a mistake while playing poker?
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10-16-2007 , 05:57 PM
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Fact 2: I get sweating from 2+2er and winning player Sputnik2000 (small sample), 2+2er and winning player hockeystud94 (small sample), adn AJMargarine, they don't find any real apparent problems in my game.
Having someone watch you play while occasionally asking what cards you have on AIM...
Kind of an inaccurate characterization. Yes, I don't know most of the hands he folded pf and that's probably part of your point. But, he told me every hand he played pf over 4 tables over 1/2 an hour or so.

And fg, you are really not representing me accurately in this thread. I don't log AIM convos so I don't have it I guess.
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10-16-2007 , 05:58 PM
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quiz for big jim...assume vs unknowns at 1/2.
Oh boy, I'm good at quizzes.

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1. SB open completes, you have Q9s in BB, your play?
Raise the pot. I'd do this with almost ATC.

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2. SB open PFR's to $6 with about 80 bb's effective, you have AQo, your play? If you 3b, how much?
Raise the pot.

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3. CO open limps, SB completes, you check in BB with QcTd. Flop is Qs9h8h. SB checks, you bet $4, CO raises to $12, SB folds, your action?
Fold.


How'd I do?
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10-16-2007 , 06:03 PM
2/3 different than fg actual action.

Granted, #2 is just bet sizing. He went to $24 which is too much imo.
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10-16-2007 , 06:10 PM
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I do play like Big_Jim. I bet if we edited out my play in hands pulled from the database and asked him to fill in my action we'd be dead on.
FGators, you've said numerous times in msnl that you respect my game, so hopefully my opinion will mean something to you. I've never had the misfortune of running up against Big Jim @ the tables (that I know of), but he is one of the very top strategy posters in msnl. That being said, I have played against you a number of times. You do not play well. You DO NOT play like Big Jim. I'm not saying this to hurt your feelings, but you are the definition of a tagfish. Believe it or not, alot of us actually do know what we're talking about. You are not very good @ poker...
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10-16-2007 , 06:13 PM
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I do play like Big_Jim. I bet if we edited out my play in hands pulled from the database and asked him to fill in my action we'd be dead on.
the fact that you could even convince YOURSELF that this is possible to do just by reading his posts in MSNL is LOL. the fact that you're trying to convince real ppl is even funnier though
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10-16-2007 , 06:24 PM
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SFact 1: People think Big_Jim knows his stuff. I read his stuff, practically all of it. I play like him
If it only be that easy.
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10-16-2007 , 06:27 PM
this is starting to feel a bit like.....






















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10-16-2007 , 06:32 PM
Why can't we just take a cheap flop in position? (screw no strategy in BBV)
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