FGators: The Final Chapter [1.4m hands EV graph] - Page 7

i don't know what any of that graph [censored] means, but if i was that guy i would have quit killed myself by now.

jesus.

a 5 million fpps are cool, but hundreds of thousands of $$$ is way cool.

(i think, might have to ask microbob for a detailed explanation)

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10-13-2007 , 03:31 PM

#152

benneh

hehe

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if i strt complaining about horrible luck being the reason i dump money in cash games will someone i highly respect coach me for free too?

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10-13-2007 , 03:47 PM

#153

siralos

centurion

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if i strt complaining about horrible luck being the reason i dump money in cash games will someone i highly respect coach me for free too?

Only after 1.6 m hands of losing poker. And some of the really good coaches would rather have sex with grimstarr then coach that mule...

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10-13-2007 , 04:02 PM

#154

ahnuld

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yo TOTAL RAKE PAID plz, thnx.

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10-13-2007 , 04:11 PM

#155

hra146

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yo TOTAL RAKE PAID plz, thnx.

its in the other thread. I think it was close to 180k.

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10-13-2007 , 04:12 PM

#156

nath

the second coming of the second coming

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I would say you are unlucky in the sense that your upbringing and society turned you into someone so stubborn that it's cost you upwards of six figures.

home run

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10-13-2007 , 04:14 PM

#157

nath

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I don't get how this works...I honestly am sucked out on a 250:1 ratio..in fact I can't remember the last time I coolered someone or got it in drawing to two outs and won yet it happens to me a large portion of the time so I don't know how this graph works. I've got a Word document with about $400k worth of total bad beats and I've probably only sucked out on people in about 5k worth of pots lifetime so thats how I do my pokerv graphs.

how is this much denial seriously possible? Are you a gay republican too?

well, he DID say we were all going to hell...

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10-13-2007 , 04:29 PM

#158

linuxrocks

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linuxrocks -

Obviously you haven't beaten your head against a wall a dozen times over in SSNL trying to give Fgators advice. Many very good players tried over and over and over to help him, and he refused it in denial time and again. If you knew more of that frustration, you'd be pointing and laughing with the rest of us, because the fact of the matter is fgators DESERVES THE HUMILIATION.

Clayton -

I will say though now is really the time for lolololololol and not so much the time for hand analysis. I still

your SSNL fgators theory post.

Good god, I agree. Looking at some of FGators posts and how people tried to explain to him, any one would be very frustrated.

Clayton,

your theory post with the funny hats. Very nice explanation of how people make money in Poker, in particular SSNL.

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10-13-2007 , 04:37 PM

#159

nath

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Man, just looking at how much money he loses when he doesn't go to showdown... wow. Just wow.

My best guess is that whenever he makes a hand his first thought isn't "I should bet and get value for this" but "I need to get this to showdown as cheaply as possible" unless it's a monster

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10-13-2007 , 04:51 PM

#160

LucidDream

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The FGators Therom: If you don't have the nuts, your opponent probably does. Fold accordingly.

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10-13-2007 , 04:56 PM

#161

flight2q

old hand

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Man, you don't click the check box for "Box" to display the dollar amounts

PokerEV understates the impact of all-in luck by not considering the entire pot. Turn on the configuration file option to consider the entire pot (if this is implemented yet). After all this, FGators deserves to see that he is 0.01 PTBB/100 equity adjusted!

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10-13-2007 , 05:08 PM

#162

Soulman

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Clayton,

your theory post with the funny hats. Very nice explanation of how people make money in Poker, in particular SSNL.

link?

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10-13-2007 , 05:09 PM

#163

bubaloo

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10-13-2007 , 05:10 PM

#164

ycjason

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I thought the green line should be higher than the other blue line usually for winning player.. am I wrong here?

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10-13-2007 , 05:13 PM

#165

JSchnett

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I've got a Word document with about $400k worth of total bad beats and I've probably only sucked out on people in about 5k worth of pots lifetime so thats how I do my pokerv graphs.

Can you send this word document to someone as proof that it exists, and so we can get an EV graph of it.

LOOOOOOL i missed this part my 1st time through.

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10-13-2007 , 05:16 PM

#166

Imrahil

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10-13-2007 , 05:16 PM

#167

bubaloo

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lol [censored] the word document....

quoting FGators from the first graph post:

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Just do the PokerEV thing its the only thing that matters to me and should be the evidence behind all of this.

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10-13-2007 , 05:27 PM

#168

traxamillion

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This was comical and everything but I think this has run its course. Just forget about this moron.

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10-13-2007 , 05:28 PM

#169

Genz

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I actually wonder why you guys tell him to stop playing. It looks like online poker would be pretty dead if he did. Or are you just leveling me and trying to appeal to his stubborness?

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10-13-2007 , 05:29 PM

#170

thatpfunk

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what a waste of life. think of all the things you could have accomplished had you spent the amount of time and effort that you wasted on poker.

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10-13-2007 , 05:47 PM

#171

linuxrocks

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Clayton,

your theory post with the funny hats. Very nice explanation of how people make money in Poker, in particular SSNL.

link?

A visual representation of FGators dollars (serious theory post)

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10-13-2007 , 06:02 PM

#172

jessica1994

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I thought the green line should be higher than the other blue line usually for winning player.. am I wrong here?

You are wrong. The green line should be above the x-axis for a winning player.

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10-13-2007 , 06:18 PM

#173

fabadam

reading your numbers

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FGators:

Regardless of how badly you run, this graph proves you are a terrible poker player. Your green line doesn't have to be at your blue, but to be that far below means you lose a ton in pots that don't go to showdown.

Look for graphs posted by KOTKIS for some alternate possibilities. KOTKIS is basically the anti-fgators. He gets his money in worse a lot of the time, but still wins a ton thru non-showdown pots

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10-13-2007 , 06:29 PM

#174

[Phill]

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I thought the green line should be higher than the other blue line usually for winning player.. am I wrong here?

You are wrong. The green line should be above the x-axis for a winning player.

To go into slightly more detail - if your playing against opponants who will rarely fold (ie small stakes) your green graph will often be lower than your blue line because you will be forced to showdown hands a lot. In general the green line should track the blue line pretty closely though. Ideally your green line will be above the blue, but eutopia is a rare place to visit.

If your winning, it doesnt really matter HOW your winning (in a general sense anyway) - the key thing is that you are beating the rake and anyway you do that means youre doing better than most - including FGators.