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04-25-2012 , 11:26 PM
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04-25-2012 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
Rich Hickey, creator of Clojure, talking to Lispers about Clojure:

http://********/clojure/clojure-for-...part-1-1319721
dave, are you working through SICP using Clojure?
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04-25-2012 , 11:27 PM
It's the dumb forum censor. Just google the title.
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04-26-2012 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Xhad
I like that idea

fun Python question: What does this code do?

Code:
True = False
if (1 == 1):
   LaunchNuclearMissles()
Launches them missiles, but if you changed "if (1 == 1):" to "if True:" it wouldn't do anything. For such a pretty language, it's painful to see stuff like assigning different or non-true values to True not even generating a warning.
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04-26-2012 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
dave, are you working through SICP using Clojure?
I wish... I'm currently frightened of Clojure, concurrency, and multi-threading. I'm using Scheme. I'd rather learn Common Lisp before Clojure, but I'm not planning any future learning until I get through this book and then I'll go from there, so maybe Clojure will be next, but I don't know and I don't care.

I just stumbled on that video and thought I'd share it.

Go to the first link and find it:
https://www.google.com/search?source...ojure+for+lisp
(probably gets censored as well...)
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04-26-2012 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Scary_Tiger
Launches them missiles, but if you changed "if (1 == 1):" to "if True:" it wouldn't do anything. For such a pretty language, it's painful to see stuff like assigning different or non-true values to True not even generating a warning.
To be fair, Python 3 does throw a SyntaxError if you try this
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04-26-2012 , 03:32 AM
Can I get some of your opinions on C#? Good/bad useful/not?
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04-26-2012 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryanb9
Can I get some of your opinions on C#? Good/bad useful/not?
My favourite language. The full power of .Net and visual studio through C# is hard to match
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04-26-2012 , 04:13 AM
In terms of syntax it looks alot like Java and through .Net has alot of stuff built into it (like Java does) and is far easier to code than C++
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04-26-2012 , 05:10 AM
I just downloaded visual c# 2010 tonight and I have to say I feel kinda spoiled.

edit: I mean like... it seems too good to be true

Last edited by Ryanb9; 04-26-2012 at 05:20 AM.
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04-26-2012 , 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryanb9
Can I get some of your opinions on C#? Good/bad useful/not?
<3 c# and .net to bits. Take a look at Linq as well it's just amazing once you get the hang of it, never need to write SQL join queries again!
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04-26-2012 , 08:15 AM
It's been a long time since I used C#+VS. I'm usually not very fond of Microsoft but C# was a positive surprise.

I don't know if it was just early growing pain but VS was very shaky as soon as projects reached meaningfull sizes. I only used it for toy projects but multiple friends that did "serious work" reported the same issue.

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The full power of .Net and visual studio through C# is hard to match
I'll have to disagree with this though. The first two usual suspects are VIM or Emacs in expert hands. I think those are the gold standard of dev tools.

TexMate and RubyMine are also excellent (I only got word of mouth on TexMate but it is pretty much 100% satisfaction which is fairly rare) and I'm sure there's even more amazing stuff out there for SmallTalk etc.

---
Yay Ubuntu 12.04 LTS released today,
Code:
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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04-26-2012 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Gullanian
Short notice, but I just accepted a speaking slot at the HN meetup this Thursday in London, if anyone is around and wants to meetup let me know and I will buy you a drink
I'm quite nervous about it lol!
When and where is it?

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Originally Posted by Freakin
What is the best way to learn general programming concepts? I don't even know what things like multiple inheritance or interfaces really are.

I'm about 6 months in to .NET and feel pretty comfortable, but I know I'm writing bad code.

I'm reading through Code Complete right now and learning RoR as well by reading Agile Web Development with Rails.
Get "Agile Software Development" by Robert Martin. It just seemed to make everything that I've read in other books click.

clowntable,

I have both "Object-Oriented Software Construction" or "Object Oriented Design Heuristics" sitting on my shelf, any reason I should tackle one before the other?
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04-26-2012 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by skier_5
When and where is it?
pmd
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04-26-2012 , 10:53 AM
I didn't read them in order, always browsed to the stuff that was interesting. "Object-Oriented Software Construction" is probably the better choice going cover to cover and you can just browse to relevant stuff in the heuristics book if you write code and are wondering about certain things.
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04-26-2012 , 11:56 AM
Summer of code list:
https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/...oogle/gsoc2012

I'll wade through it later, if someone finds interesting stuff post highlights it ITT
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04-26-2012 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Gullanian
<3 c# and .net to bits. Take a look at Linq as well it's just amazing once you get the hang of it, never need to write SQL join queries again!
as a sys admin in a windows shop C# is crazy useful for internal tools
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04-26-2012 , 12:36 PM
@Gullanian and any other C# guys: have you ever used DotNetNuke? If so, what are your thoughts?
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04-26-2012 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
@Gullanian and any other C# guys: have you ever used DotNetNuke? If so, what are your thoughts?
No but Orchard is worth checking out
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05-12-2012 , 12:48 AM
Welcome back!!

Man I must have clicked my bookmark 1000 times, lol.
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05-12-2012 , 01:00 AM
I heard Mason said on the pokercast that the daily traffic to the site remained high throughout the downtime.
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05-12-2012 , 08:46 AM
Hello again everyone!

Am I correct in saying that the hashes stored in the 2+2 database were not rehashed which allowed the attacked to fairly easily be able to brute force the passwords?
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05-12-2012 , 09:00 AM
Unless they are using a heavily custom version of vbulletin the biggest problem is they are still using md5 to hash passwords and if they are still using md5 after this downtime chances are we'll see the same issue in the future at some point.
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05-12-2012 , 09:15 AM
I don't think MD5 is much of an issue here, the issue from the sounds of it was that the passwords could be brute forced easily because they were only hashed once (or effectively once).

Edit: And of/c how they managed to get access to db in first place!

Last edited by Gullanian; 05-12-2012 at 09:27 AM.
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05-12-2012 , 09:28 AM
How is MD5 not an issue? It's barely better than having a plain text password at this point.
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