The Apollo project was not happening in the Nevada desert

Hello everyone and happy new year.

I know that there are a lot of very clever people here and thought that this might be an interesting video for some of you to dissect. I have no idea what they are talking about really and it might be a scam but again I don't know anything about quantum mechanics or physics really. Obviously there are immediate red flags because they are asking for money but if you can ignore that for a moment I think the content is watchable.



Yes, I can see that they have a history of believing in and endorsing various conspiracy theories - make of that what you will.

just started listening but i can absolutely guarantee you this is bunk. first claim

"the first person or group to come up w/ a correct theory of quantum gravity via quantum entanglement will not only discover the mechanism through which it operates, but will also be able to turn it off and freely manipulate its direction and magnitude at will."

that's 100000000000000% false and decidedly specious reasoning. that's like saying "the first person to discover special relativity will be able to manipulate it at will." that's obv not the case. it took a ton of study and experimentation to do things like develop the atomic bomb, put together nuclear reactors etc. and we obv can't manipulate special relativity at will let alone "turn it off" lol.

further, there may not BE a theory that correctly links quantum gravity with quantum entanglement. that's just one way in which the discovery may happen.

other weird stuff: "we were promised millenium falcons and other cool stuff that didn't happen for some reason" lol

and LOL he's putting together a team that's 15 years ahead of the game? riiiiiiiiight.

so he claims to be working with PHOENIX theory, which presupposes that there are smaller particles that make up quarks called vertex particles. these vertex particles are the result of the "web of information exchanges" that came about as a result of quantum entanglement.

the guy claims to be able to TURN OFF quantum entanglement and then see what happens to gravity.

now, all that said, i went to the site and got this paper: http://www.hoverbrothers.com/wp-cont...aper-FINAL.pdf

and it does lay out a mathematical framework in which the theory can be based; however, there are arbitrary elements to it (such as the charge factor can be whatever, but once it's set, the theory falls out nicely as long as it's set within some parameters. this is similar to string theory's problem with the calabi-yau formulation. the theory works beautifully once we assume the proper calabi-yau shape; however, there's like infinity shapes so how do you presuppose which one is the correct one? just because one shape results in the formation of our universe doesn't mean string theory is right. you have to be able to PROVE that the shape can't do anything BUT form in that way).

so i'm highly skeptical especially since i don't see any major physicists talking about it nor any major physics departments researching anything similar.

Just think about it!

Sure.

To be fair they tried.. the guy looks super old.

"First one to discover the universe is king" fallacy, at least.

The sky is blue, it appears blue right am I right?

If I told you the sky was red I would need to prove to you it’s not blue but red

The burden of proof would be on me proving it to be red right?

So....

The earth is stationary because it feels and appears stationary am I right?

If I told you we were spinning I would need to prove to you were spinning and not stationary

The burden of proof would be on proving we are spinning right?


So then I postulate that the Earth is indeed stationary because our senses tell us so

I would also add that it’s as flat as it appears on the horizon appears flat and rises to our eye level.

Here’s 5 tests done that prove there is no movement on the earth. The Michelson Morley experiment literally led to Einstein coming up with the theory of relativity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7tIbwK0ulM


TLDR: earth is flat and motionless b/c our senses tell us so ; the burden of proof is on the spinning ball

I postulate that flat earth theorists are not proficient with the use of Google or the internet in general. My senses tell me so. The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate otherwise.

Ok let’s say I am bad at the internets...

Does that change the sky appearing blue to your sesnses or the earth not feeling like it’s spinning?

I’m not a theorist either or believer either.. I’m a truther

The scientific method literally says you need to be able to have an observable repeatable and testable proof...

Actual science doesn’t have any tests proving motion... most people don’t observe motion... and I don’t see repeatable proofs besides fake cgi pictures

So again I postulate it’s flat and motionless prove me wrong..

Let’s make it interesting I will ship $100 to anyone that can prove movement of the earth using a test I can repeat myself.

Non-sequitur.
You don't believe in anything? What is a truther?
The scientific method doesn't "literally" say anything. It is a method. Not a person.

That the earth is spinning is an observable, testable hypothesis. The findings have been repeated internationally.
Live stream video of the rotating earth from the International Space Station is fake CGI?

ISS never pans the camera around and looks into space and/or shows the proverbial 4th wall... so ya I don’t really buy what nasa is selling. I would be more likely to buy it if they could show something sticking to the underside of the ball being held by “gravity”. Show a boat near Australia w mast down and on under side of the ball.

Do you also believe hook line and sinker we went to the moon?

I just find it hard for a vacuum of space to meet a non vacuum without a barrier. I also find it hard that space ships would have anything to push off of in a vacuum.

Can we apply scientific method to this argument?

I want proofs of actual movement or no movement

I mean our phone has an app calculating the number of steps in a day or the number of stairs I did but there’s no app showing that we’re spinning 1000mph on a ball going 66,000mph around the sun.

I believe the burden of proof lays upon that which my senses doesn’t tell me

Let me add $100

If you can prove movement or no movement

Using the scientific method in a test that I can perform at home

You seem very concerned about - burden of proof. Where' s your proof that ISS video stream is fake? You've provided some tenuous argument about the 4th wall. No proof.

Also, how can you explain GPS technology and how it works, using your model of the earth?

GPS is very easy to explain... take an azamuthael equidistant map and the coordinate points work on a disc like a cd w north center. South is Antarctic ice wall. Think North Pole is like the center of a cd and South Pole is the rim of the cd. The map works whether we live on a ball, realm, or a disc. It’s what aviation and navigation uses.

Triangulation, cell towers, high altitude balloons, and under water cables providing 99% of our internet’s and positioning system. This explains away gps technology and satellites.

So gps should make you question why you drop your cell call in a valley. It’s all triangulation land based technology. You simply drop your call when the land dips out of a straight line of site from the closest tower.

As far as ISS goes it’s a stalemate.. I can’t prove it’s fake just as much as you can’t prove it’s real. That’s why I want something more tangible like a test. My example of a test could be jumping in the air and not having the earth move 1000mph under you so you end up in the same spot when you land so proof it’s not moving. You’ll say it’s atmoshpere is held to earth by magical force of gravity I would argue otherwise.

So back to the original question burden of proof..can anyone find a test to proof movement or no movenment wo video from a government organization?

This is not a description or explanation of GPS technology. A description of GPS technology includes satellites and radionavigation. None of what you're talking about.

Are you suggesting that existing explanations of the way in which GPS functions are fake? If so, where's your proof?
I'm not interested by the original question sorry. I dont find it interesting because it distracts from the conspiracy worldview that - NASA, GPS and governments internationally - are all involved in some worldwide propaganda campaign.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum

"Foucault's pendulum is a simple device named after French physicist Léon Foucault and conceived as an experiment to demonstrate the Earth's rotation. The pendulum was introduced in 1851 and was the first experiment to give simple, direct evidence of the earth's rotation. Today, Foucault pendulums are popular displays in science museums and universities."




Accept nothing without proof. Forget about being lazy. Demand the truth. If you can deliver it to yourself on your own then you have won something important. So go out and win it. Care to prove what you argue for.

Get yourself a dslr camera and start long exposure of stars and you will see the rotation after a few hours.

https://www.nikonusa.com/en/learn-an...ar-trails.html

Good effort.. but I can’t do that at home

Also this

http://coconutrevival.com/?p=2072

And the stars could all spin around the earth? Or are they just holes in the 5th wall, heaven shining through?

Masque d z

Checkout your avatar being proven fake in photoshop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz0ig0572T4

How do you explain perfect circular star trails?

How do you explain constellations being the same night after night year after year?

How do ancient astrolabes work perfectly today?

Surely if we were traveling through “infinite” space for years the constellations would have changed by now but they don’t.

Further proof the celestial dome is moving and we are stationary.

Also Polaris or the North Star hasn’t changed position ever so how is this possible? Official science says we are hurling around the sun at 66,000mph think for 2 seconds how would a star stay fixed high after night if that was the case?

Photoshop is a fake program. YouTube is a fake website. It's all fake I tell ya! Evidence is fake. Proofs are fake. People are fake. All fake.

Even the quality of being fake...is fake!

Also, repeating yourself ad nauseum is the best way to have a constructive conversation.

Why not. Try a big long pendulum in a big tall area of your home and video tape it for 10 minutes and notice even small angle changes. . Also what prevents you taking a long exposure of stars?

You are trolling submitting links from royal mfers actually! You better be a fraud troll because if you really have fallen victim to such mfers so easily then the world is in deep $h1t.

Either you have it in your to question everyone and not just those that you conveniently decided you want to go after without the slightest ethical desire to be proper and balanced or you are victimized terribly by losers.

The stupid fact earth is curved is evidenced every time you call someone in the other side of the planet and they have the opposite of day night. How the f flatness explains that? Also look at last week's lunar eclipse.

It is also very easy to prove if you go to a Greek island and watch the ships far away in the Aegean.

You’re saying basic stuff which shows me you are not familiar with the flat model


The sun is a localized light source like a lamp in a parking lot only illuminating part of the parking lot