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06-29-2010 , 11:57 AM

#13251

sixfour

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Ozil - rut roh?

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06-29-2010 , 11:59 AM

#13252

relderretep

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Originally Posted by sixfour

Ozil - rut roh?

"Ozil was born in Gelsenkirchen, Germany, but her parents are Turkish."

reliable source?

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06-29-2010 , 12:05 PM

#13253

72off

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Yes! Germany should be DQ'd from the World Cup, to be replaced by England so that they can get destroyed by Argentina.

So I guess Germany has weird immigration laws where you don't automatically get citizenship by being born there and never having left the country because your parents are, say Turkish?

Last edited by 72off; 06-29-2010 at 12:10 PM.

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06-29-2010 , 12:07 PM

#13254

blind squirrel

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Yeah I call bs too. No way DFB messed this up. They put in some work like 2 years back or something to get him to play for Germany and not Turkey, it wasn't naturally for Özil to do that.

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06-29-2010 , 12:12 PM

#13255

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"Children born in Germany to foreign parents may acquire German nationality if certain conditions are met. They must however decide between the ages of 18 and 23 whether to retain their German nationality or the nationality of their parents."

i think playing for germany means he wants to retain his german nationality.

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06-29-2010 , 12:14 PM

#13256

derwipok

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Originally Posted by 72off

Yes Germany has weird immigration laws where you don't instantly get citizenship if you are born in a plane flying over the country.

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06-29-2010 , 12:17 PM

#13257

72off

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Originally Posted by derwipok

Yes Germany has weird immigration laws where you don't instantly get citizenship if you are born in a plane flying over the country.

Unless you're really good at football, amirite?

Born in Germany, never left the country...I guess that plane was circling for a while?

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06-29-2010 , 12:17 PM

#13258

HungryHippo

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Originally Posted by 72off

Yes! Germany should be DQ'd from the World Cup, to be replaced by England so that they can get destroyed by Argentina.

So I guess Germany has weird immigration laws where you don't automatically get citizenship by being born there and never having left the country because your parents are, say Turkish?

well now they do. since february 2nd 1990 if you are born in germany you are a citizen, before that though, you have to be naturalized.

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06-29-2010 , 12:20 PM

#13259

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Originally Posted by 72off

Unless you're really good at football, amirite?

Born in Germany, never left the country...I guess that plane was circling for a while?

wat

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06-29-2010 , 12:23 PM

#13260

72off

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my sentiments exactly...

w/e, i don't really care about this anyway

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06-29-2010 , 12:25 PM

#13261

derwipok

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I probably was unclear, we were told in English class that you can get American citizenship if you are born in a plane flying over the USA.

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06-29-2010 , 01:05 PM

#13262

HungryHippo

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"It's a pity that Ozil has chosen the wrong passport," Hiddink said. "He is a modern footballer I could use in my team." Actual quote. I think something may have been lost in translation.

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06-29-2010 , 01:09 PM

#13263

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Sounds like it. He has lived in Germany all his life.

Can Germans, like the dutch, not have dual citizenship? If you are born and live in Germany but have Turkish parents you can't have both a German and Turkish pasport?

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06-29-2010 , 01:14 PM

#13264

cashy

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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

not possible

have german/austrian parents
lived in germany all my life, moved to austria
practically gave up my german citizenship when they called me in for Federal Armed Forces in Austria(still had/have my german passport but am unable to renew it)

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06-29-2010 , 01:18 PM

#13265

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That seems kinda bull**** to me to be honest. (Not that it isn't true that it doesn't make sense).

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06-29-2010 , 01:22 PM

#13266

dj_mercury

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Kuzmanovic and Rakitic are both Swiss natives, played in all the Swiss youngsters selections and then decided to play for Serbia and Croatia respectively rather than Switzerland when they had to pick in which national team they wanted to play since they have the double passport.

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06-29-2010 , 01:47 PM

#13267

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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

well, if you were born after 1990 you can. The only way to have dual german citizenship is to be born with it ie a german mother and american father would give dual citizenship. If you want to become naturalized you have to give up your other citizenships though.

Related, i was thinking about moving to germany, but i would have to give up my US citzenship, but my gf who was born in the US in 1990 would not have to give up her US citizenship because she has EU "citizenship" because her parents are from poland and she has polish citizenship.

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06-29-2010 , 01:48 PM

#13268

kazana

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Originally Posted by HungryHippo

well now they do. since february 2nd 1990 if you are born in germany you are a citizen, before that though, you have to be naturalized.

not quite that easy. gotta prove at age of 23 or so that you do not hold (or have acquired) any other citizenship.

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06-29-2010 , 01:48 PM

#13269

Ra_Z_Boy

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Ah ok.

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06-29-2010 , 01:53 PM

#13270

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Umm yeah, this is total BS. He obv never could've played for Germany without being a German cizizen.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesut_%C3%96zil

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Im November 2007 wurde bekannt, dass Özil, dessen Vater im Kindesalter mit Özils Großeltern nach Deutschland eingewandert war, seine Entlassung aus der türkischen Staatsbürgerschaft beantragt hat. Er hatte zuvor sowohl einen türkischen als auch einen deutschen Pass besessen.

= It got public that he requested to get released from his Turkish nationality in November 2007. Before this, he had a Turkish and a German passport.

Thanks to our conservative party we have some ****ed up laws that make it really hard to have a dual citizenship. Children of immigrants have to decide which nationality they want to keep between the age of 18 and 23.

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06-29-2010 , 02:03 PM

#13271

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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

Not possible.

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Originally Posted by cashy

Well, that has nothing to do with the dual citizenship, it's because you dont serve your country, you basically renounced your German citizenship.

You could have a German and Austrian passport if you wanted to, you choose not to.

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Originally Posted by 11beatsperminute

Umm yeah, this is total BS. He obv never could've played for Germany without being a German cizizen.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesut_%C3%96zil

= It got public that he requested to get released from his Turkish nationality in November 2007. Before this, he had a Turkish and a German passport.

Thanks to our conservative party we have some ****ed up laws that make it really hard to have a dual citizenship. Children of immigrants have to decide which nationality they want to keep between the age of 18 and 23.

There are dual citizenship treaties between countries. So you can have 2 citizenships, it just depends on the country you originally come from/you want to become a citizen of.

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06-29-2010 , 02:42 PM

#13272

ikestoys

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Originally Posted by derwipok

I probably was unclear, we were told in English class that you can get American citizenship if you are born in a plane flying over the USA.

If you're born in the US or any territories, including **** like the Panama Canal zone when we owned it, then you are a US Citizen. 14th amendment of the Constitution ftw.

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06-29-2010 , 04:31 PM

#13273

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Confederations ranking so far:

Conmebol 76% ( 12-5-1)
UEFA 46% (10-10-9)
Asia 36% ( 4-3-7)
Concacaf 33% (2-5-4)
Oceania 33% (0-3-0)
Africa 26%( 3-6-10)

only 90 mins count in this ranking.

next games: ghana vs uruguay, brazil vs holland, germany vs argentina, spain vs paraguay

Asia did a preety decent world cup over all, they defenetly have 3 teams that can compete in the world cup.

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06-29-2010 , 04:37 PM

#13274

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Originally Posted by MEbenhoe

Official Rooting interests for next round:

Netherlands
Chile
South Korea
USA
Germany
Argentina
Paraguay
Portugal

The teams I was rooting for went 4-4 this round, blech

In the quarters I'll be pulling for:

Netherlands
Ghana
Germany
Paraguay

Overall interest is in hoping a team that has never won before wins, but if it is going to be a team that has won before, I'll go with Germany.