lol you obviously didn't watch that Youtube clip. Iggy scored some shots. A lot of them due to the Cavs game plan. Good for him. Cavs game plan that whole series was not to let Steph go off. Even if that meant Iggy had wide open shots.

You do know players scored against Jordan right?

I'm a Warriors fan fwiw.

I never understand the downplaying of what LeBron has done.

MJ's game can stand on it's own two feet without the need to bash other players.

I've seen similar things when people, namely Niner fans, love to mention 4-0 when it comes to Joe Montana and the SB. Like Joe was great but so were those Niner teams. Joe wasn't anywhere as statistically dominant as Jordan nor did he win 6 titles in 8 years but the aura of never losing a sb is huge for many homers. There were many fans upset that the Niners lost the sb that many wished we never would have made it. Like 5-0 is so much better than 5-1. Idk, that type of logic infuriates me. I think many realize 5-2 of Brady is likely better than 4-0 of montana.

Other thing that makes me mad is this is a team game but more so than football one player can effect so much in the NBA but sometimes it's just not enough, other teams are better. Almost every great other than russell has experienced that in some way but we overly focus on the team accomplishments when many times it's about luck--finding the right talent, right chemistry and then good luck when it comes to opponents, injuries and matchups.

Rebecca twigley,
Do you still live with your parents?

Nice original post in poker goals and challenges, to bad you never posted again.

I would take the time to screenshot but your really not worth my time.

So you agree - he was a distinct underdog against both teams..

ultimately, he never lost as the favorite or even when it was 50/50, whereas lebron lost twice as the favorite and once when it was 50/50..


catch-and-shoots were a big part of his game, and if you keep posting videos, i bet about 20-25% of his makes will be catch-and-shoots


no - jordan's catch-and-shoot game made him a more diverse, unpredictable offensive player.

lebron is a fool for not playing off-ball and surprising the defense with catch-and-shoots

it's one of the most fundamental parts of the game



The 1996 Finals were Jordan's worst Finals and one of his 2 worst playoff series.

So let's be fair and compare them to Lebron's worst.. Clearly, Lebron's worst performances are MUCH worse than Jordan's, and he has more OF them too: 2007 Finals, 2011 Finals, 2008 ecsf, 2013 ecsf, and several more.. 2007 ecsf.. too many to track them all down.

Btw, the Bulls were able to get stops against the Sonics, so they didn't need to outgun them.. But if they couldn't get stops like against the Suns, they would've played differently and tried to win a shoot-out.


Lebron's defense was very good the first 2 games against Kawhi (9 ppg on 43%), and not surprisingly, the Heat were tied 1-1... They were competitive with the Spurs, just like OKC and Dallas were, who held Kawhi to ~12 ppg on 45%.

But then Kawhi averaged 24 ppg on 69% for the last 3 games, all wins for the Spurs - that's a 15 point swing.. Ultimately, Kawhi's emergence as the Spurs #1 option unlocked their max, optimal offense - the Spurs beat the Heat far worse than anyone else, and it's because Kawhi ONLY played well against the Heat.. This all started in Game 3.


The first 2 games of 2014 Finals were competitive, so you know the last 3 games were absolute blood baths, since the record margin was set.

So we should compare the last 3 games to Jordan's 3 against the Celtics.. Then it would be clear that Jordan was more competitive with his 30-win team than Lebron was with his champion team.

Regardless, it's not supposed to be close for Lebron - his champion Heat are supposed to play WAY better than the lowly Bulls.. But instead, Jordan's team was more competitive.

47-25 and the 6 seed in 1989 - Jordan was SO DOMINANT that the NBA only made his team play 72 games. LeBron NEVER did that. He needed a LOCKOUT season to play less games.

LeBron's stats in LOSSES are EMPTY stats. Jordan's stats in losses are an ACCOMPLISHMENT. It is BETTER to lose before the Finals as long as you don't PUT UP empty stats.

Someone pretend some of those words are red and green for me.

Jordan>LeBron. Lock it up.

I don't really hold LeBron losing in the Finals against him (except 2011 obviously). But in the same breathe I do appreciate being 6-0.

As a poker player you know you aren't meant to win as a favorite all the time. Going 6-0 is impressive, while LeBron is basically on par of what variance should be. MJ was way over when it came to that. So, while I don't hold it against him (particularly in 2007), I do think MJ is way over odds if you were betting on him winning.

Well you said big under dog. Those series were 50/50 or 60/40 at worst.

One point on MJ's side. I've already said that.

Jordan never won as a big under dog. LeBron did. One point on LeBron's side.



Nope. He was a creator of his own shot.



Yes, taking the ball out of the hands of the best decision maker on the court is a great idea. You should be an NBA coach.


I asked you a really simple question. Was Michael Jordan remarkably bad in that series? Being that you said LeBron was bad when he out played MJ by a lot, your answer here is really really simple. It's yes or no.



Okay, being that you cherry picked 3 out of the 5 games for Kawhi, because apparently the whole series doesn't count, I should be able to do the same for LeBron. Game 2, 4 and 5 LeBron averaged 31/10/3. It was actually hard to pick the 3 best because he didn't actually have a bad game fwiw.

In fact if you picked his 3 worst games from that series, the numbers actually better than KLs 3 best games.

But, no LeBron was horrible.

Dude, you need to actually argue something real. You can say he could have played better or been more agressive. That's fine. But you can't say he was bad. Not bad like MJ was in the series against the Knicks in 93.

Not sure why we are cherry picking games within a series now. Just seems weird.

By the way the Celtics knew they weren't going to be troubled by the Bulls. Probably never got out of 2nd gear in that series. Spurs on the other hand played 3 of the most perfect games you'll ever see to close out that series. They were in about 8th gear. I say that as someone who thinks the most recent Spurs team is overrated by the LeBron lovers.

It went in OT .
Celtics wernt in second gear.
Anyway Larry bird would not of allowed to not play to win !

lolol 609 is so bad that hes turned fidstar to defending lebron

One game went overtime. The other two games were blowouts.

Warriors vs Blazers this year. One close one and 3 blow outs. Were you concerned that the Warriors were ever going to lose that series?

Of course not.

Neither were the Celtics back then. It was basically a bye. Bulls won 30 games.

Also I never said they didn't play to win. They took care of business. Like a good team should. Could do that in second gear. Maybe first.

Let's check the frontline match up in that series. Bird/McHale/Parish v Woolrich/25 yo Oakley/Woolridge.

I'll let you rank them 1 to 6...

SA weren't going to play Miami in 1st or 2nd gear.

Knowing everything I know now I'm drafting Iverson over Lebron. I'd rather watch Iverson lose.

Hi Charles.

Fidstar, I thought you were on the Jordan side of this debate?

I am. You don't have to **** all over LeBron to prove MJ is better. His record speaks for itself. But LeBron's record is also really really good. I still think a level below MJ's.

And people are making terrible arguments against LeBron. Him being terrible in a series when he averaged 28/10/3 while shooting really well? That's terrible. By saying that you are basically saying MJ had terrible series as well. Which of course they won't say. So, it's bull****. If you think LeBron was **** in that series (and he wasn't), then say the same thing about MJ.

You are talking about probably the two best players ever out of, what, 10B people that have been on the planet since basketball has been invented. Seriously, if you keep saying how crap the number 2 guy is, you have a problem.

Fair enough

A real GOAT makes his own luck.

Losers with excuses use luck as a scapegoat

609 has probably made better post than anyone in the thread, I love it!!!

For the 642nd time

Learn to make a sentence that makes sense, especially before you call someone else special.

Rebecca twigley =SHOOK

LOL, criticize someone for their sentence structure. Use the wrong word...."since" isn't "sense" bro.

MJ > LeBron

But can we get rid of these morons who are making our side look bad? They sound like 13-year olds who just graduated from looking at the Victoria's Secret Catalog to seeing boobs on the internet for the first time, so now they're trashing the Victoria's Secret models. Guys, listen, the models are still super freaking hot!

Wow Capone, that was your first intelligent post in the thread.
Congratulations bro!!!

You still flapping your beak? Trying to prove something...