You can't take anything from 3 seasons dummy

huh?

lebron was a better player than kobe in his 3rd season. its not that hard to understand.

You can't let a 20 something yr old nba player GM your team. Period.

You are as dumb as the day is long.

So in his 3rd season with zero titles he is better than Kobe on the all time list?

Firstly this more makes my point. It shows how remarkable what Jordan did was

Also the 25 number is perfect. When LeBron was 25 he bolted Cleveland for a team with multiple established elite players.

When the Bulls drafted Pippen and HoGrant (if my math while on phone is correct) Michael Jordan was 24. 3 seasons later they would begin their incredible run of 6 straight titles in the 6 full seasons Michael Jordan would play.

****ing Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant didn't come with a guarantee either. That's what makes it so impressive!

That's the point. Jordan didn't

Wiggins is meh and Love was the right call for the Cavs even with hindsight

If the Bulls drafted two bums instead of Pip/Grant, Jordan would've left just like LeBron. Can't win a title by yourself.

This, this, this, and Jordan never jumped ship.

There were also multiple critics ( mostly all them) saying Jordan could never win it all with the style of basketball he played.
But he proved them all wrong.

Meanwhile you have Lebron jumping ship saying not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4 etc...
And he was proved wrong.

If Lebron doesn't beat the warriors soon he is a joke in the Goat discussion.
He jumped ship to get 2 titles with Miami and without a fluke shot by Ray Allen he would have only gotten 1 while taking his talents to south beach.

LMFAO. GOAT. wtf!!!!!!

They were bums when they were drafted. They hadn't proved a damn thing.

Are kyrie and love bums?

What about wade and Bosch?

Cry me a river you big fkn titty baby!!!

Again that's not the point. It's that LeBron took the easy way out which is fine for trying to title if you can deliver (lol x1000 at losing to that mavs team)

But part of what makes Jordan an elite GOAT is that he did this with ****ing draft picks and no significant FA addition. If you think Pippen and Grant are the same players if they're drafted by another team you're crazy but regardless draft picks are a crap shoot and very few turn into even very good players. Two draft picks became very good and great players while playing with prime Jordan

That doesn't mean LeBron stinks and is terrible but we are talking about the single greatest ever. If LeBron ran off 6 in a row after taking 1 3/4 years off to play ****ing baseball and never super teamed we could have him in this conversation

In the come fly with me video it shows Jordan faking a shot and not releasing the ball( palming it) then going around a defender to score. Then it shows pippen doing the same exact move.
It plainly says Jordan took pippen under his wing and crafted his game!!

Jordan was also a defensive player of the year, he preached defense to ALL his teammates and led by example.

There is also someone else on the video ( can't remember name) saying something to the effect when Jordan and pippen were coming at you in the backcourt on defense that it was like 2 pit bulls coming at you.

This is the mentality Jordan created on HIS team with fkn draft picks!!!

Kyrie and Love weren't on the first Cavs team, the point is if Pippen and Grant were complete busts Jordan would've left too. Losing and playing for a dog**** organization when you're one of the best players ever isn't fun.

But Jordan stayed at pretty much the same age as LeBron left. You keep saying this but the reason he's the actual goat is because it never happened.

You're right in that drafting is mostly a crapshoot and getting Pippen and Grant was extremely fortunate, and a huge outlier.

Of course Jordan made them better, but it went both ways and they don't initially 3 peat without those guys. That's what I'm saying - relying on the ownership of a team that won a lottery to draft you to draft competently when it's throwing darts mostly is absurd. Listen I give Jordan props for fighting his way to the top but it's not like I'd discredit him for leaving the Bulls if they were run incompetently and he didn't hit the draft lotto. The guys an all time great and deserved a better cast.

Jordan made sure they weren't bust. He held his teammates accountable.

Intangibles

True but that's because LeBron came in the league at age 18. He'd already been on the Cavs for 7 years.

If the Bulls draft 2 bums and Jordan has no titles at age 28, and his owner is a complete dope, he shouldn't leave to go to a better situation?

LOLLLLLLL

Elite trolling man. Jordan made Pippen and Grant not busts with his intangibles.

But Lebron did leave, not once but twice for better talent and still only had half the rings Jordan has.

uhh ya

Exactly, he got in his teammates faces, he practiced harder than anybody, he preached defense, he molded pippen.
These are all things you can't put on a stat sheet.

Intangibles!!! It's a real thing that dominate leaders possess.

GOAT

super lol at thinking that going to friggin cleveland was in some way stacking the deck.

heres the thing about lebron, he adds about 20 wins and makes a team a contender. he went back to his hometown and won a title for cleveland. that is unprecedented.

he could have went to any number of much better situations rather than cleveland. he absolutely did not take the easy way out by coming back home.

You fell out of the dumb tree and hit every limb twice

Yes he did he knew he had kyrie and a number 1 draft pick and could get a max contract

He also knew wade was past his prime and Cleveland gave him a better chance to win

You making 56,000 post is the biggest waste of time ever in 2+2 history!!!

You are the GOAT when it comes to wasted time and post!!!!!