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Isn't the main factor of our draw being bad the fact that we are in that pod in the first place (i.e going to be against a pod 1 team and a solid UEFA team) and the fact that we are the best in the pod doesn't matter as much

Mexico has a higher chance at being in group of death because nations actually respect us and they laugh at your national team. when people see Mexico as the 3rd best team of the group, that automatically wins the title of group of death. that won't happen if they see USA instead.

Few things anger me more than people talking **** about Jozy and his first PL season. He was NINETEEN ****ING YEARS OLD AND PLAYING FOR HULL CITY.

trolololOLOLCRUZINNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

@Loosekanen - No way you can put Michael Bradley anywhere near Wilshere or Carrick.
Jozy scored 39 in 67 in a terrible league? Most championship level strikers could probably match that, or at least come close...

Lmao.

I can't believe how deluded some Americans are about their soccer team... They're way behind England and you'd be an idiot to say they aren't. You can just look at the leagues the majority of your national team plays in and already decide that they don't even come close, never mind the fact that you lost to Costa Rica and Honduras this year.
Michael Bradley would be the best player on ~10 EPL teams? Haha, he wouldn't even be the best player on ~10 Championship teams.



The fact that you lost to Honduras and Costa Rica this year should be enough to make you wake up and yet you try to say the US national team is better than England?
This might be a good time to mention that England haven't lost a competitive match in 3 years iirc (at Euro 2012 they went out on penalties) and played Brazil in two friendlies this year; beat them at home and drew away.

tell me which would be seen as the group of death:

Argentina
USA
Russia
Netherlands

or

Argentina
Mexico
Russia
Netherlands


ill tell you right that im 100% sure that those 3 countries would much rather play USA over Mexico and that the majority of the world would see the 2nd group as the group of death and not the first one.

Those groups aren't even possible, so neither one.

how are they not possible? i got them from that simulator site.

didn't realize russia was being tossed into group 3 since there isn't enough uefa teams being seeded

to answer the question, the 1st one would be the group of death

where's the debate? i mean even if teams from other places have the perception that the mexico is better, that doesn't make the 1st group not the group of death

usa is better than mexico, there is no debate on that

In 2013, USA played 16 competitive matches. (Non-friendlies) We went 13-2-1.

That is far more impressive than England's "unbeaten" streak, as they played 6 competitive matches going 4-0-2. Congratulations on beating up San Marino and Moldova to continue that unbeaten streak, folks. San Marino wouldn't even give Belize a game!

England looked good the previous 2 matches to nail down their group; they have looked very unimpressive the entire year. I'd say USA USA USA has momentum, given we're the Kings of CONCACAF. England? Grats on barely rubbing off Ukraine for your group.

the world determines the group of death. if they think Mexico's group would be the group of death, its because everyone knows that Mexico is better. and you arent better. just like the english dudes showed you by comparing player-by-player, we can do the same for Mexico and you would be lucky to get 3 spots.

rofl if you think only 3 americans make mexicos roster

you are trolling even harder than usual right now, quick turnaround for a guy rooting for a team that was gifted life in WCQ and still might lose

perception != reality

Also I'm not so sure that people from other countries are actually as dumb as you think they are. Mexico is a complete mess, I'd rather draw them than Japan.

God I'm so glad I'm not an English soccer fan. You guys are insufferable. Who knew BAIDS was actually top tier?

Ditto rather draw them than South Korea.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/world-cup/matches

In the event you guys dont also read the WC thread, odds up for NZ/Mehico. I'm amazed at how the books are treating Mexico. My advice...

Load up on the Kiwis!

I will give Cruizn credit that the group with Mexico in it would be the group of death. If you are in a group with Mexico that means you didn't make the tournament.

6-1 freeeee money for El Tie.

NZ is really 14/1 at home to win?

ya this is what i think. NZ are actually a tough out - they were undefeated in last WC! - and i have to imagine they'll be parking the bus like no other. we all know how mexicans do with buses in a parking lot.

azteca just isn't a fortress. gonna make for a scintillating game regardless, but 0-0 is totally in the cards.

game is in mexico (leg 1). i dont like betting NZ to win tho

oh yeah leg 1 is in Mexico, makes more sense.

cant wait for mexico to lose to a team that just tied a 4th division american club team

link isnt working but:

i would love to see you guys burn money on betting against Mexico, but because you guys saved us from missing the world cup, i'm going to do you a solid and tell you NOT to bet against Mexico.

reasons:
1) new legit manager tomorrow. he is expected to have the majority of his soon-to-be ex club players on the team and that will fix our problem of looking like a clueless team out there.
2) no chicharo. suspended for first match. he cant **** anything up this time.
3) 2pm game. c'mon now. just remember all those times donovan's bitch ass ran out of breath at the end of games. those kiwis will be dead by halftime.
4) im tried and want to finish this post so this is enough.


don't bet on a draw, its not happening. i dont care if kiwi's park their entire bench, Mexico will find a way to score a few goals and win this match comfortably.